Kyle Orton ranked # 2 back up in the NFL - Vick #.1

[joseephuss]

I know this is what you wish and want to believe.

But we all know deep down, we would rather not face vick. We also know deep down that when Vick is on fire, he's on fire.

He isn't on fire too often. In 102 career starts he has 11 games with over 300 yards passing and 7 games with 3 or more passing TDs. Drew Brees does that in a single season.

 

[KJJ]

He isn't on fire too often. In 102 career starts he has 11 games with over 300 yards passing and 7 games with 3 or more passing TDs. Drew Brees does that in a single season.

The big concern with Vick is his mobility.

 

[xwalker]

I would prefer a young developing guy that is good enough to be #2. A guy like Matt Moore is decent and might get better.

 

[KJJ]

I would prefer a young developing guy that is good enough to be #2. A guy like Matt Moore is decent and might get better.

Moore isn't going to get any better he's a poor mans Kyle Orton. Both Carolina and Miami tried developing him and both ended up using a #! pick on a QB. I prefer developing a young QB who has solid starting potential.

 

[KJJ]

Matt Moore had 14 fumbles losing 6 of them in only 12 starts in 2011. That's not what you want backing up your starting QB behind the Cowboys OL.

 

[Solution]

I doubt everyone feels "safe" about Orton backing up Romo he's an immobile bus driver. You get behind in games with him you're going to be in trouble. Very few teams have a young #2 with potential so they settle for an older QB with starting experience. If you're going to have a chance to stay in the race you need an experienced QB who can step in not a young QB who needs to be developed.

Good points. My only disagreement is I think you underestimate how comfortable people seem with Orton. I'm not comfortable at all, unless hes only having to come in for a few series, or at most 1-2 games. If romo went down for anything more than 3 games though, I would absolutely prefer the backup be a young guy whos maybe not experienced, but has attributes that can be taken advantage of. If a team had a week to game plan against Orton it would be a disaster, and even though it would still be a disaster with an inexperienced young'n, you would at least hope that young'n has more going for him than what a "immobile bus deriver" does.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Call me crazy I'd take matt moore over orton

I would too. It's too bad we didn't hold our cards on him.

 

[KJJ]

Good points. My only disagreement is I think you underestimate how comfortable people seem with Orton. I'm not comfortable at all, unless hes only having to come in for a few series, or at most 1-2 games. If romo went down for anything more than 3 games though, I would absolutely prefer the backup be a young guy whos maybe not experienced, but has attributes that can be taken advantage of. If a team had a week to game plan against Orton it would be a disaster, and even though it would still be a disaster with an inexperienced young'n, you would at least hope that young'n has more going for him than what a "immobile bus deriver" does.

When you look at the backup QB's around the league Orton is one of the top backups he's ranked #2 according to the ranking that was posted. If Romo went down for a period of time the most ideal backup would be a veteran QB with a lot of starting experience. Most teams in the league are going to be in trouble if their starting QB goes down it's hard enough finding a solid starter much less a solid backup. There's going to be a big drop off from your starter to your backup so the biggest attribute a backup QB can have is experience. Orton has won games in the league and as the QB of the Chiefs in 2011 helped hand the Packers their only regular season defeat that season. If you're going to have a chance to stay afloat while your starter is out you need a backup who's seen it all and can handle the situation.

The reason so many are comfortable with Orton is because he has 69 starts and is only 30 years old. If your backup is forced to play you want to at least have a chance to stay in the race and a veteran with starting experience gives you that chance. You have virtually no chance with an inexperienced QB unless they're #1 pick or you hit on a Russell Wilson in the 3rd round or a Colin Kaepernick in the second. If the Cowboys had a young QB with that kind of talent on their roster they would have recognized it by now and they would be the backup. Yes Orton is immobile but a young inexperienced QB running for their lives and flinging the ball all over the place isn't going to help you win games. Orton is the best the Cowboys have behind Romo that's why he's the backup.

 

[Solution]

When you look at the backup QB's around the league Orton is one of the top backups he's ranked #2 according to the ranking that was posted. If Romo went down for a period of time the most ideal backup would be a veteran QB with a lot of starting experience. Most teams in the league are going to be in trouble if their starting QB goes down it's hard enough finding a solid starter much less a solid backup. There's going to be a big drop off from your starter to your backup so the biggest attribute a backup QB can have is experience. Orton has won games in the league and as the QB of the Chiefs in 2011 helped hand the Packers their only regular season defeat that season. If you're going to have a chance to stay afloat while your starter is out you need a backup who's seen it all and can handle the situation.

The reason so many are comfortable with Orton is because he has 69 starts and is only 30 years old. If your backup is forced to play you want to at least have a chance to stay in the race and a veteran with starting experience gives you that chance. You have virtually no chance with an inexperienced QB unless they're #1 pick or you hit on a Russell Wilson in the 3rd round or a Colin Kaepernick in the second. If the Cowboys had a young QB with that kind of talent on their roster they would have recognized it by now and they would be the backup. Yes Orton is immobile but a young inexperienced QB running for their lives and flinging the ball all over the place isn't going to help you win games. Orton is the best the Cowboys have behind Romo that's why he's the backup.

He is absolutely the best we have behind romo, and again I agree with most of what you're saying. I just operate under a different mentality personally. I'm a rather pessimistic person, so I think we would be screwed either way if Romo wen't down for extended time. I don't think the reincarnation of Kurt Warner is on this team. So in the short term, like I originally said, Orton is a good backup. I don't think for a second that he has the ability to "keep us in the race" if needed. So personally, I'd rather see a young QB who has a cannon arm, quick legs, or something unique that the coaches could exploit. Do I think that QB is on the roster, not at all. I'm happy Orton is a cowboy, just not nearly as comfortable about it like most seem to be.

 

[KJJ]

He is absolutely the best we have behind romo, and again I agree with most of what you're saying. I just operate under a different mentality personally. I'm a rather pessimistic person, so I think we would be screwed either way if Romo wen't down for extended time. I don't think the reincarnation of Kurt Warner is on this team. So in the short term, like I originally said, Orton is a good backup. I don't think for a second that he has the ability to "keep us in the race" if needed. So personally, I'd rather see a young QB who has a cannon arm, quick legs, or something unique that the coaches could exploit. Do I think that QB is on the roster, not at all. I'm happy Orton is a cowboy, just not nearly as comfortable about it like most seem to be.

The mentality I run under is you play the QB who gives you the best chance to win and stay in contention. Most teams have that same mentality which is why they sign veteran backup QB's who have starting experience. The 72 Dolphins were helped to a 17-0 perfect season with the help of veteran backup QB. I agree the Cowboys are screwed either way if Romo goes down for an extended period they can't even break 500 with him but they'll be royally screwed with either of the 2 young QB's we saw Sunday night. No way is any Cowboys fan going to feel comfortable with one of those young QB's having to try and outgun Eli, RG3 and Peyton Manning during the regular season. Let's say Romo goes down in week 7 and the Cowboys are 4-2 what QB on the roster would you send in Orton or one of the young QB's we saw Sunday night? I have no issue throwing in a young QB who's shown some real potential and is outperforming your veteran backup in camp and preseason but no way would I throw in one of the young QB's we saw the other night in a regular season game ahead of Kyle Orton with our season still in the balance.

I haven't heard anything great about Tanney or Stephens so far this summer. I didn't see anything from either one of them Sunday night to make me want to throw one of them in to help keep us afloat during the regular season if Romo went down for an extended period. Stephens has a strong arm and appears to have good mobility but he's a project who's no where near ready to lead the Cowboys in the event Romo goes down. A lot of fans wanted to see Stephen McGee instead of Kitna in 2010 when the Cowboys were pretty much done at 1-7 but Garrett needed to win games as the interim HC and went with the experienced QB. He's certainly needs to win games this upcoming season or he's going to be under some real fire.

 

[joseephuss]

The big concern with Vick is his mobility.

121 career games
20,274 passing yards
5551 rushing yards
1642 yards lost due to sacks
199.9 totals yards per game What is the concern?

 

[Frozen700]

What's this 'we' business? I personally love to play Vick because he's a turnover machine. Do you not watch his games?

Stop it....

Last 2 times we had to face Vick we got slapped around. I thought he was a pick machine. What happened to our picks?

Again this is what you want to believe, just cut it out. Right now on the eagles Vick is the biggest threat.

 

[Doomsday101]

As a backup QB I have no issues with Orton. I think Orton still gives you a chance to win as opposed to 2 UDFA who are extreamly raw.

 

[bayeslife]

Stop it....

Last 2 times we had to face Vick we got slapped around. I thought he was a pick machine. What happened to our picks?

Again this is what you want to believe, just cut it out. Right now on the eagles Vick is the biggest threat.

We didn't get slapped around because of Vick, we got slapped around because we sucked. Nick Foles was marching up and down the field on us last year. Matt Moore, Red Skelton, the list goes on. I just don't understand why you think Vick is some overbearing dominant force that he hasn't been since the first half of 2010.

 

[Doomsday101]

We didn't get slapped around because of Vick, we got slapped around because we sucked. Nick Foles was marching up and down the field on us last year. Matt Moore, Red Skelton, the list goes on. I just don't understand why you think Vick is some overbearing dominant force that he hasn't been since the first half of 2010.

I agree. Frankly when facing Philly McCoy is my biggest concern.

 

[KJJ]

121 career games
20,274 passing yards
5551 rushing yards
1642 yards lost due to sacks
199.9 totals yards per game What is the concern?

I said Vicks mobility is a concern it's always been the biggest concern with him. His legs still make him a threat and as long as he can run he's not to be taken lightly. His ability to make plays with his legs is what made him a #1 overall pick and one of the most dangerous players in the NFL. He's rushed for more yards than any QB in NFL history. Against the Cowboys last season he was 6-9 with a TD before getting knocked out. Regardless of Vicks struggles to say there's nothing to be concerned about with him is nothing but silly fan talk.

He's still a player that has to be accounted for and I can assure you if he's starting vs the Cowboys in 2013 they will be very concerned about him. As awful as Vick was last season he got off to a great start in 2012 with back to back 300 yard games which included 371 yards vs Baltimore. He completed just over 71% of his passes in that game in route to a one point win over the Ravens. What killed him last season was the turnovers he had 15 turnovers in his 10 starts. In a new offense with Chip Kelly Vick's career could be resurrected.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Foles isn't good.. imo. Reports are that Vick is distancing himself from Foles.

Foles the drive killer or Vick the dog killer, Philly deserves both.

 

[Frozen700]

We didn't get slapped around because of Vick, we got slapped around because we sucked. Nick Foles was marching up and down the field on us last year. Matt Moore, Red Skelton, the list goes on. I just don't understand why you think Vick is some overbearing dominant force that he hasn't been since the first half of 2010.

Like i said, you don't wanna see Vick. You rather see Nick F.

 

[OhSnap]

Vick is gonna be the starter so the article starts off on the wrong foot.

He'll most likely be the starter early but if he don't come out of the gate on point he'll be totin the clip board pretty fast and he'll most likely be out by week 4 with an injury.

 

[OhSnap]

Stop it....

Last 2 times we had to face Vick we got slapped around. I thought he was a pick machine. What happened to our picks?

Again this is what you want to believe, just cut it out. Right now on the eagles Vick is the biggest threat.

I don't remember it that way. I remember Vick gettin knocked out in the first half of the first game and not even playing in the second game. I don't think winning 2 games and knocking the QB out for the rest of the season qualifies as gettin slapped around.