Labor Talks Break Down!!!!!

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2348417

NFL Players Association Executive Director Gene Upshaw told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the latest talks to bring a new collective bargaining agreement have once again broken down and he again expressed pessimism about a deal getting done.

Upshaw said: "We met today and there's no deal and we're deadlocked. We were supposed to stick around and meet tomorrow, but that's not gonna happen. That's it. I'm headed back to Washington"
The two sides met for five hours Tuesday. When asked if the two sides could still resolve the issue, Upshaw said it was possible, but he there were no more talks scheduled at this time.

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reported Monday that league owners are scheduled to meet Tuesday via conference call to discuss the status of negotiations.

Two owners told Pasquarelli on Monday afternoon that they have delayed their departures from Indianapolis, site of the NFL scouting combine since Wednesday, to accommodate the 6 p.m. ET timing of the conference call.

Without an extension, the 2007 season would become a so-called uncapped year with no spending limit and no minimum, and players could potentially face a lockout in 2008.

Team officials and player agents have said that doing business without an extension -- particularly with the free agent signing period set to begin Friday and the draft on April 29-30 -- will prove virtually impossible. Because of the extreme circumstances that would exist with an uncapped year on the horizon, it would be difficult to meet the financial expectations of free agents and high-round draft choices.

Among the owners who have expressed optimism that an 11th-hour deal will be hammered out is Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys. "I think that we'll likely have a deal," Jones told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel on Monday. Other owners and team officials allowed there have been rumblings of progress and that they feel an extension will be in place before the end of the week.

Information from ESPN's Chris Mortensen and ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli was used in this report.
 

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Upshaw is being unreasonable in his demands and is making a HUGE mistake. A strike will only hurt the players and the fans, not the owners. Having no CBA will eventually bring about wither a strike by the players or a lockout by the owners and it won't be the owners who will lose.

The players have no leverage as has been proven by every strike and lockout so far. They suffer and it hurts the game as the fans will not support millinaire players wanting to get richer. Cries of "unfair treatment" don't ring true coming from them.

The deal being offered by the owners is very lucrative to the players and Upshaw is a fool to let it go. He wants the whole thing and it isn't going to happen. The owners are in the business of making money and they aren't about to give up the lion's share of the profits to the players, it just isn't going to happen.

Upshaw is a fool because he can't see that he has no way to win.
 

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Lockouts happen in leagues where teams are losing money like hockey. Why would the NFL owners lockout when they're making money hand over fist?
 

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Interesting that Upshaw thinks there's no possible way but Jerry thinks there will be a good chance of it.

You need 9 owners to sink any resolution correct? Right now, there are 9 owners who are against the new revenue sharing.

Hummm.........
 

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I want a new deal. I just want it after the Skins have to comply to the current CBA.

David Harrell - Pokes
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ABQCOWBOY said:
You need 9 owners to sink any resolution correct? Right now, there are 9 owners who are against the new revenue sharing.

Given what ABQ says above, how is it Upshaw that is being unreasonable?
 

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THUMPER said:
Upshaw is being unreasonable in his demands and is making a HUGE mistake. A strike will only hurt the players and the fans, not the owners. Having no CBA will eventually bring about wither a strike by the players or a lockout by the owners and it won't be the owners who will lose.

The players have no leverage as has been proven by every strike and lockout so far. They suffer and it hurts the game as the fans will not support millinaire players wanting to get richer. Cries of "unfair treatment" don't ring true coming from them.

The deal being offered by the owners is very lucrative to the players and Upshaw is a fool to let it go. He wants the whole thing and it isn't going to happen. The owners are in the business of making money and they aren't about to give up the lion's share of the profits to the players, it just isn't going to happen.

Upshaw is a fool because he can't see that he has no way to win.

Well said, I agree 100%. I really see Upshaw as the main culprit in this scenario.
 

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The players need to step in and stop this Upshaw and Tags need to work something out or they need to go.
 

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I want this to last just long enough for the Skins to burn. Then everything can get back to normal.
 

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Can the players step in and stop Ushaw from doing this, I mean wasnt he voted into that position i dont believe he can be moved from there. I believe those are the union rules.
 

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felix360 said:
Can the players step in and stop Ushaw from doing this, I mean wasnt he voted into that position i dont believe he can be moved from there. I believe those are the union rules.

If they remove him now it will NEVER get done on time...
 

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abersonc said:
Given what ABQ says above, how is it Upshaw that is being unreasonable?

I personally don't blame the owners. They risk ALL the capital PERSONALLY. Players sign a paper someone sticks in front of them, then the majority go out and buy some flash, a big house, a couple of Escalades with 24's, and live the life. That said, the players association wants near 60% of TOTAL revenue from the owners. Smaller venues will probably be LESS competitive, not to mention profitable. The amount the owners make is irrelevant...they ventured everything and took ALL the risks. That's called capitalism and it's what makes this country what it is. Players need to suck it up and realize that they are living a dream...everyday.
 

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I can't believe you people are moaning.

The CBA expiring is terrific.

1) Skins get screwed

2) Dallas can operate with a free hand and we know we're one of the richest teams out there.

3) NFL on field product returns to pre-cap quality when teams had continuity and there were actually GOOD teams.

4) Owners can take this chance to realize that they are being more than generous both to players and to small market teams, and if the two parties are still whining, the window is wide open to crush them with a completely new agreement that ends moronic levels of revenue sharing.
 

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mschmidt64 said:
I can't believe you people are moaning.

The CBA expiring is terrific.

1) Skins get screwed

2) Dallas can operate with a free hand and we know we're one of the richest teams out there.

3) NFL on field product returns to pre-cap quality when teams had continuity and there were actually GOOD teams.

4) Owners can take this chance to realize that they are being more than generous both to players and to small market teams, and if the two parties are still whining, the window is wide open to crush them with a completely new agreement that ends moronic levels of revenue sharing.

Some of us actually like competition.....
 
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