Lack of wind in the sails, Ideas going forward

[BrAinPaiNt]

Maybe it is just me, but I know it is not.

But I get tired of this team seeming to abandon the run to easily like we have in the past.

If I was Jason I would come out and run the ball a determined number of times in a row even if they are not getting the first down.

Not just run one play and pass two ending in a 3 and out.

Also...Maybe it was before Linehan so that is why it is not happening now...but at one time we would have some success in delayed draw runs....I don't remember the last time I seen those.

Zeke off the field. If he is motioning that he needs off the field for a reason, like he did at least once last night, so be it. However there are other times when they pull him in place of dunbar in critical situations, like the last drive last night.
Look, I get it that they think Dunbar might be a little more explosive but I think they are really not using Zeke in an area he could be good in and that is out of the backfield. Maybe they thought he was struggling catching the ball last night, most were...but come on. He is the better runner, better blocker and the history of this year alone says he is the bigger threat. The ONLY thing I can think of is that if he is in there, offenses will key on him more than they would dunbar...but even in that case you would think it would open up others instead. Still a mystery to me.

Flea Flicker. I would like to see this play. As soon as it appears that Zeke is getting the ball you can see Safeties and LBs moving to the line in a very quick fashion. This could help open up the back end for a long pass.

If they want to go into a spread with no RB in the backfield...run more play called QB draws. It only takes one or two good runs by Dak to get the offense going. They just have to make sure it is a played call in order to help keep the online from getting holding penalties.

I would not mind seeing a wild cat formation with Zeke as QB and Dak on the outside...even if it is a straight run play.

This offense is getting too predictable for the most part...How many times have we seen Dak do a boot and a RB or TE sitting there for the pass...so many times that the other teams are seeing that now. Now it can setup a situation where we look like we are doing that and do something different but for the most part we stick with that play. This is some of the reasons I bring up something a little different like the delay draws, fle flicker, wild cat or just spread formation with QB draws.

Funny thing about all of this is that at one point in the season the Offense was covering up for the weakness of the defense. The last few games it seems to be the other way around. And when you are depending on THIS defense to win you games....odds are it is not going to be in your favor even if our record says otherwise.

The money and talent is on Offense...it is the offense that should drive this ship. Right now it seems the offense is hitting a patch of the ocean where the winds are not blowing and the sails are dead. We need to find away to catch the wind again...if it be some tricky ways to get us through the tough time.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Agree, you have to have your best on the field when the game matters unless they are hurt. I also didn't notice any adjustments after halftime. Very vanilla last night and the week before, vanilla will not cut in the playoffs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Giant's consistently stacked the box we still ran about half the time for 3 quarters and Dak still ended up with a passer rating under 50.

This is not on the coaches or the playcalling.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Maybe it is just me, but I know it is not.

But I get tired of this team seeming to abandon the run to easily like we have in the past.

If I was Jason I would come out and run the ball a determined number of times in a row even if they are not getting the first down.

Not just run one play and pass two ending in a 3 and out.

Also...Maybe it was before Linehan so that is why it is not happening now...but at one time we would have some success in delayed draw runs....I don't remember the last time I seen those.

Zeke off the field. If he is motioning that he needs off the field for a reason, like he did at least once last night, so be it. However there are other times when they pull him in place of dunbar in critical situations, like the last drive last night.
Look, I get it that they think Dunbar might be a little more explosive but I think they are really not using Zeke in an area he could be good in and that is out of the backfield. Maybe they thought he was struggling catching the ball last night, most were...but come on. He is the better runner, better blocker and the history of this year alone says he is the bigger threat. The ONLY thing I can think of is that if he is in there, offenses will key on him more than they would dunbar...but even in that case you would think it would open up others instead. Still a mystery to me.

Flea Flicker. I would like to see this play. As soon as it appears that Zeke is getting the ball you can see Safeties and LBs moving to the line in a very quick fashion. This could help open up the back end for a long pass.

If they want to go into a spread with no RB in the backfield...run more play called QB draws. It only takes one or two good runs by Dak to get the offense going. They just have to make sure it is a played call in order to help keep the online from getting holding penalties.

I would not mind seeing a wild cat formation with Zeke as QB and Dak on the outside...even if it is a straight run play.

This offense is getting too predictable for the most part...How many times have we seen Dak do a boot and a RB or TE sitting there for the pass...so many times that the other teams are seeing that now. Now it can setup a situation where we look like we are doing that and do something different but for the most part we stick with that play. This is some of the reasons I bring up something a little different like the delay draws, fle flicker, wild cat or just spread formation with QB draws.

Funny thing about all of this is that at one point in the season the Offense was covering up for the weakness of the defense. The last few games it seems to be the other way around. And when you are depending on THIS defense to win you games....odds are it is not going to be in your favor even if our record says otherwise.

The money and talent is on Offense...it is the offense that should drive this ship. Right now it seems the offense is hitting a patch of the ocean where the winds are not blowing and the sails are dead. We need to find away to catch the wind again...if it be some tricky ways to get us through the tough time.

Excellent post.

 

[canters]

I thought we would be better prepared after 10 days off.

I would have liked to see Zeke get more carries. Strange he did not when we were never out of the game and only needed one score.

Dak seemed to not like the weather and or a cold hard ball...some Billy Kilmers were thrown last night.,,,another reason to feed Zeke.

We played down to the level of the Giants and did not compete in an important game.

Not a surprise here, but Dak needs his supporting cast,,,,he had a bad game and was not helped by his mates.

 

[DenCWBY]

Maybe it is just me, but I know it is not.

But I get tired of this team seeming to abandon the run to easily like we have in the past.

If I was Jason I would come out and run the ball a determined number of times in a row even if they are not getting the first down.

Not just run one play and pass two ending in a 3 and out.

Also...Maybe it was before Linehan so that is why it is not happening now...but at one time we would have some success in delayed draw runs....I don't remember the last time I seen those.

Zeke off the field. If he is motioning that he needs off the field for a reason, like he did at least once last night, so be it. However there are other times when they pull him in place of dunbar in critical situations, like the last drive last night.
Look, I get it that they think Dunbar might be a little more explosive but I think they are really not using Zeke in an area he could be good in and that is out of the backfield. Maybe they thought he was struggling catching the ball last night, most were...but come on. He is the better runner, better blocker and the history of this year alone says he is the bigger threat. The ONLY thing I can think of is that if he is in there, offenses will key on him more than they would dunbar...but even in that case you would think it would open up others instead. Still a mystery to me.

Flea Flicker. I would like to see this play. As soon as it appears that Zeke is getting the ball you can see Safeties and LBs moving to the line in a very quick fashion. This could help open up the back end for a long pass.

If they want to go into a spread with no RB in the backfield...run more play called QB draws. It only takes one or two good runs by Dak to get the offense going. They just have to make sure it is a played call in order to help keep the online from getting holding penalties.

I would not mind seeing a wild cat formation with Zeke as QB and Dak on the outside...even if it is a straight run play.

This offense is getting too predictable for the most part...How many times have we seen Dak do a boot and a RB or TE sitting there for the pass...so many times that the other teams are seeing that now. Now it can setup a situation where we look like we are doing that and do something different but for the most part we stick with that play. This is some of the reasons I bring up something a little different like the delay draws, fle flicker, wild cat or just spread formation with QB draws.

Funny thing about all of this is that at one point in the season the Offense was covering up for the weakness of the defense. The last few games it seems to be the other way around. And when you are depending on THIS defense to win you games....odds are it is not going to be in your favor even if our record says otherwise.

The money and talent is on Offense...it is the offense that should drive this ship. Right now it seems the offense is hitting a patch of the ocean where the winds are not blowing and the sails are dead. We need to find away to catch the wind again...if it be some tricky ways to get us through the tough time.

"If they want to go into a spread with no RB in the backfield...run more play called QB draws. It only takes one or two good runs by Dak to get the offense going. They just have to make sure it is a played call in order to help keep the online from getting holding penalties"

 

[ShiningStar]

I still cant believe this is a problem for this team. You would think if theres something Garrett would excel at , its putting his rookie QB in positions where he ll succeed until he can pick up teh next level. Not us. Not hitting the deep throws, keep throwing the deep throw. Keeps hitting beasly, force it to dez. Throw isnt working, well obviously dont run it. And why is Dunbar still on the team? He can be cut today, but i doubt it.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I still cant believe this is a problem for this team. You would think if theres something Garrett would excel at , its putting his rookie QB in positions where he ll succeed until he can pick up teh next level. Not us. Not hitting the deep throws, keep throwing the deep throw. Keeps hitting beasly, force it to dez. Throw isnt working, well obviously dont run it. And why is Dunbar still on the team? He can be cut today, but i doubt it.

You know it is kind of funny how Jason has tried to fashion this offense after the old Cowboys he played for under Jimmy. Yet as much as they run it at times,they still tend to be a little too pass happy...no where as near as bad as they used to be, but still more than they need to be.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think we entirely abandoned the run. EE ran 24 times which is a lot in the NFL. We just seem to stick with the same plan out of center on first down, then go shotgun, empty backfield on second down. Granted, the shotgun, empty back set does work a lot, but when it isn't working instead of adjusting we stick with it. It's that attitude of 'well, they can't stop it the entire game.'

I will point out one thing...it's VERY HARD to win 2 games in a row on the road. It's been a while since I calculated that, but the odds are VERY low. Even if you look at teams that went 14-2 or 15-1 in past seasons...1 of those losses almost always occurred in the midst of a 2-game road set. It's even worse in December.

Now we get back home for 2 games and there's a good chance we'll start to get back to our old form.





YR

 

[Eddie]

I think going back to Jerry World may cure some of our woes. If we can land HFA throughout, then we'll be ok.

11-2 gents. I'll take that in a heartbeat.

 

[jwooten15]

I really thought it was going to change when both Zeke and Witten came storming to the sidelines, yelling at Garrett to run the **** ball.

The Giants couldn't stop the rush game all night. And it was a tight game, so absolutely no reason not to run it 40+ times between Zeke/AM. Especially when Dak couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

I just did not understand it. Just because you only gain 2-3 yards with a run on first down doesn't mean you HAVE to pass it on second down.

 

[BourbonBalz]

The offense has been very stagnant and has lacked any creativity lately. We've once again become very easy to defend. Dak holds onto the ball too long, is very indecisive, and has zero pocket awareness. He's also VERY inaccurate on most of his throws. Dez disappears far too much. He can't beat coverage. He caught ONE ball last night and then fumbled it and the game away.

It's ironic that all everyone has been saying all year is that the defense will be the downfall of the team in the playoffs. In actuality, the defense has been more consistent than the offense, lately in particular.

The staff better get the offensive problems worked out or it's going to be a very short playoff run. Dak needs to be much more decisive. If no one is open, throw it away or tuck it and run.

 

[ShiningStar]

You know it is kind of funny how Jason has tried to fashion this offense after the old Cowboys he played for under Jimmy. Yet as much as they run it at times,they still tend to be a little too pass happy...no where as near as bad as they used to be, but still more than they need to be.

Agree with you. What kills me and what makes me sound negative is there was no reason for this loss. The defense played on of its best games, just dominated a good vetertan QB and a stellar WR, all to watch "another 3rd and out"

Now i may be wrong, but it seems Dallas will beat itself more than the team playing to win. Dont get me wrong, you are going to lose in this game, i agree, and sometimes you face a better team, but no way would i say "the Giants are simply a better overall team"

Im not saying i have all the answers, but as of today, Dunbar would be cut, McFadden would be ready to go, and id consider cutting Morris and adding an FB or another piece. I was glad we signed Morris, i really was, but its not working right now and Dallas has got to be thinking "right now"

 

[Aven8]

Love the idea of a flea flicker. We needed "that play" to get us oit of funk last night and it was never called!

 

[ShiningStar]

Love the idea of a flea flicker. We needed "that play" to get us oit of funk last night and it was never called!

help me if im wrong here, but has the flea flicker only worked best while Terry Glenn was here? im just curious on that.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

help me if im wrong here, but has the flea flicker only worked best while Terry Glenn was here? im just curious on that.

I don't recall to be honest...just have not seen it in so long.

However...how nice would it be to have a healthy Terry Glenn on this roster right now.

 

[Aven8]

help me if im wrong here, but has the flea flicker only worked best while Terry Glenn was here? im just curious on that.

I think that's the only time I've seen it actually. Last night we needed that halfback pass, flea flicker, etc to get it going. But nope.

 

[ShiningStar]

I don't recall to be honest...just have not seen it in so long.

However...how nice would it be to have a healthy Terry Glenn on this roster right now.

i enjoyed Terry Glenn. I do , have come around to Beasley, but Glenn had something as well. Both Glenn and Beas on the field, would have been fun.

 

[ShiningStar]

I think that's the only time I've seen it actually. Last night we needed that halfback pass, flea flicker, etc to get it going. But nope.

Im thinking that too.

 

[BlueStar22]

As crazy as it is, Lucky Whitehead was missed. His play package was shown one time with Beasley in motion but never went back there to show the Giants something else. Against an aggressive defense you need those plays that Lucky makes at least once per game.