Last 3 games-Barber 43/133-Jones 33/132... Hmm.

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My theory, which may not be true, is that Barber gets angrier and angrier the longer he is left on the sideline. So let Julius have the first four series, get Barber steamed, then unleash him. It would be interesting to see the different overall game stats for Barber when he is brought out on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th series, and see if his ypc go up the longer he is held out of the game.
 

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nathanlt;1776728 said:
In an effort to ensure Dallas fans are the most educated, here's a grammar point, and nearly everyone on this board makes this mistake repeatedly.

"All but" means "everything except", and that is exactly the opposite of what you must mean in your comment.
Actually, he probably means that, although it hasn't completely disappeared, it has almost completely disappeared. Hence, "all but disappeared."
 

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nathanlt;1776728 said:
In an effort to ensure Dallas fans are the most educated, here's a grammar point, and nearly everyone on this board makes this mistake repeatedly.

"All but" means "everything except", and that is exactly the opposite of what you must mean in your comment.
It's a meaning that I've never quite agreed with either. :eek:
 

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Lifetimeboyzfan;1776708 said:
McFadden is talented, but it seems his game is speed only. Dont get me wrong, I am certainly not an expert on all things McFadden, I just don't see him breaking tackles or running through contact.

You CLEARLY have not watched him play much (if at all).


The dude will take it between the tackles and he'll lower the shoulder. He's not "all speed".
 

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MichaelWinicki;1776657 said:
Barber 3.1 ypc, Jones 4.0 ypc over the past three weeks.

Each has one TD.

Discuss...

Like many have said, our run blocking has been suspect all season.

If the point is that JJ is suddenly better than Barber, that's not true. 4.0 per rush is like the minimum for a good rushing game. That's only 80 yards on 20 carries, which isn't a good game.

There will come a game where we have trouble moving it through the air, and if we can't do anything on the ground, we'll get creamed.
 

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adamknite;1776666 said:
At times Jones has looked better then the 4.0 average in this 3 game stretch.

Julius got a bit screwed yesterday by a couple of broken plays -- he recovered the ball that came off Romo's facemask but was credited with a rush for a 3 yard loss. He also lost 9 yards on a busted play where it looked like he was supposed to pass. He's 7-39 for a 5.6 YPC without those two plays that weren't his fault.

For some reason, JJ gets a nice start and then Garrett falls in love with the passing game.
 

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abersonc;1776797 said:
Julius got a bit screwed yesterday by a couple of broken plays -- he recovered the ball that came off Romo's facemask but was credited with a rush for a 3 yard loss. He also lost 9 yards on a busted play where it looked like he was supposed to pass. He's 7-39 for a 5.6 YPC without those two plays that weren't his fault.

For some reason, JJ gets a nice start and then Garrett falls in love with the passing game.
Do you blame him?
 

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McFadden is a can't-miss type back like LT and AP were coming out of college, just from watching him play you can see that he's going to be a special NFL back. If he falls to somewhere between 6-10 and I think Jerry moves up to get him, but a lot of sources say that Jerry is going to get him no matter what it takeks.

Barber and McFadden would be a scary backfield, and a perfect compliment since I don't think either can handle 20+ balls a game without losing their effectiveness.
 

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nathanlt;1776728 said:
In an effort to ensure Dallas fans are the most educated, here's a grammar point, and nearly everyone on this board makes this mistake repeatedly.

"All but" means "everything except", and that is exactly the opposite of what you must mean in your comment.

I have a good idea, how about taking your English lesson and shove it where the sun don't shine.
 

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Our Oline hasn't really been opening up any holes...very strange. You know the box isn't stacked with our passing game. It just shows how important the OL is to the running game. Look what happened to Larry Johnson this year when half his line changed.
 

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theogt;1776811 said:
Do you blame him?

Yes and no. I can see why he falls in love with the passing game but taking a long view, you have to establish over the course of the season that you can and will run the ball consistently.
 

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abersonc;1777014 said:
Yes and no. I can see why he falls in love with the passing game but taking a long view, you have to establish over the course of the season that you can and will run the ball consistently.

I love all that run 1st and stop the run business but it seems the game is evolving.

We have to wait and see how the playoff teams win but as of late passing is the new running game.

Look at the Pats, Packers and the Cowboys.

2 losses between 3 teams and they can all be argued as pass 1st teams.
 

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smarta5150;1777028 said:
Look at the Pats, Packers and the Cowboys.

2 losses between 3 teams and they can all be argued as pass 1st teams.

Look at the history of the league. Look at how all pass teams do in the playoffs.
 

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abersonc;1777014 said:
Yes and no. I can see why he falls in love with the passing game but taking a long view, you have to establish over the course of the season that you can and will run the ball consistently.
No, you don't, unless you're a team that has to run to set up the pass. We obviously aren't one of those teams.
 

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abersonc;1777045 said:
Look at the history of the league. Look at how all pass teams do in the playoffs.

I understand.

Thats why I said we need to see how the playoff winners do it.

Will you really be surprised though if the Pats throw for 300+ in their playoff games?
 

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smarta5150;1777028 said:
I love all that run 1st and stop the run business but it seems the game is evolving.

We have to wait and see how the playoff teams win but as of late passing is the new running game.

Look at the Pats, Packers and the Cowboys.

2 losses between 3 teams and they can all be argued as pass 1st teams.

The game has been that way since the late 70's and the rule changes that had a positive influence on the passing game.

You've always had teams that used the pass to set up the run.
 

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Rack;1776670 said:
Hasn't Barber been getting all (or at least most) of the game ending, kill the clock carries? That'll bring an average down pretty quickly.

Those carries actually bring his average up slightly over the past three games. Barber has eight kill-the-clock carries for 25 yards in those games -- 3.13 YPC. In his other carries, he has averaged 3.09 YPC.

Julius has three kill-the-clock carries for 4 yards in those games -- 1.33 YPC. In his other carries, he has averaged 4.27 YPC. Take away the botched shotgun snap recovery, and it's 4.52 YPC.
 

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I was saying it way back when MB3 was all the rage and I will say it again now. MB3 is not disciplined enough as a runner to be our sole back, he has too many runs for no or negative and often gets caught stringing it outside for nothing when 2 or 3 yards were available up the middle. I enjoy watching his wild style, but that does not make him more effective necessarily.
 

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smarta5150;1777028 said:
I love all that run 1st and stop the run business but it seems the game is evolving.

We have to wait and see how the playoff teams win but as of late passing is the new running game.

Look at the Pats, Packers and the Cowboys.

2 losses between 3 teams and they can all be argued as pass 1st teams.

Wait till we get to some bad weather games (not just the cowboys, but in general) and see how "evolved" the game has become.

You have to be able to run the ball to win in december and january (unless you're playing in a dome with home field advantage).

AdamJT13;1777101 said:
Those carries actually bring his average up slightly over the past three games. Barber has eight kill-the-clock carries for 25 yards in those games -- 3.13 YPC. In his other carries, he has averaged 3.09 YPC.

Julius has three kill-the-clock carries for 4 yards in those games -- 1.33 YPC. In his other carries, he has averaged 4.27 YPC. Take away the botched shotgun snap recovery, and it's 4.52 YPC.

Nice.
 
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