last "Jerruh" draft- 2002

[dbair1967]

and its another reason why I think all the ledge jumpers have reason to feel ok...Jerry worked that 2002 draft correctly and we ended up with 4 1st rd pick type talents...did they all work out? No obviously not, but anyone remember:

1 8 8 Roy Williams S Oklahoma
2 5 37 Andre Gurode OG Colorado
2 31 63 Antonio Bryant WR Pittsburgh
3 10 75 Derek Ross CB Ohio State
4 31 129 Jamar Martin FB Ohio State
5 33 168 Ralph Hunter QB Virginia Union
6 7 179 Tyson Walter OT Ohio State
6 36 208 Deveren Johnson WR Sacred Heart

RW and Gurode are excellent players...Bryant had talent but was a headcase...Ross flashed talent but he turned into a turd and is out of the league..Martin was an ok blocking FB...everyone was thrilled about the Pete Hunter pick, and Peter King called him one of the real steals of the 2nd day (didnt end up that way)...Tyson Walter has been a nice backup player for years...D Johnson didnt pan out

but the point is Jerry and his people worked that 2002 draft well...we stole that extra 3rd from KC and still got RW...we moved up from the 3rd to the 2nd to get Bryant, who clearly flashed alot of talent and was a 1st rd pick on some boards...Ross was another borderline 1st rd pick whom we got in rd 3...there were no reaches or headscratchers...this was a nice draft (on paper)

David

 

[burmafrd]

Ross was not a borderline 1st rd pick. He was strictly 2nd rd at best. He had the raw physical talent- BUT even then there were serious questions about his work ethic and willingness to be coached. Very valid concerns as it turned out. Bryant had red flags all over the place- once again valid as things turned out. Pete Hunter - another case of lots of talent but dime head. Jerrah got the talent part right- but as regards everything else he blew it. Lets be brutally truthfull here: Gurode took 4 years to really finally arrive; and Roy has had some problems.

 

[dbair1967]

Ross was not a borderline 1st rd pick. He was strictly 2nd rd at best. He had the raw physical talent- BUT even then there were serious questions about his work ethic and willingness to be coached. Very valid concerns as it turned out. Bryant had red flags all over the place- once again valid as things turned out. Pete Hunter - another case of lots of talent but dime head. Jerrah got the talent part right- but as regards everything else he blew it. Lets be brutally truthfull here: Gurode took 4 years to really finally arrive; and Roy has had some problems.

Gurode might not have taken 4yrs to develop had they left him at C where he belonged all along (and started out by the way)...and RW's "struggles" coincide with been handuffed by two of the elagues biggest idiots on the defensive side of the ball (Parcells and Zimmer)..I doubt we'll see many "struggles" from RW this yr (or anyone else on th D)

and whether you like it or not, some did have Derek Ross rated as high as late 1st rd, and we got him rd 3...Bryant too, and we got him late 2nd...the point wasnt to argue whether they were worth the pick TODAY, the point was at the time of the draft it clearly appeared good decisions were made

David

 

[burmafrd]

Well some people rate players a lot higher then others. I am sure that happens all of the time. AT THAT TIME none of the major services, scouts, etc had him as a first rd choice. Calling BP and ZIMMER idiots is dumb; while zimmer is not the best he is certainly not the worst. BP won 2 SBs and will go to the hall of Fame.

 

[burmafrd]

You keep trying to ignore the charactor issues that were WELL KNOWN at the time about both Bryant and Ross. THAT is where Jerrah screwed up. The red flags were waving in the wind and he ignored them. Gurode came out PRIMARILY as a Guard, NOT a center. IT was thought that he would make a better guard due to his size. Turned out that was wrong- but a lot of smart people thought the other way.

 

[dbair1967]

Well some people rate players a lot higher then others. I am sure that happens all of the time. AT THAT TIME none of the major services, scouts, etc had him as a first rd choice. Calling BP and ZIMMER idiots is dumb; while zimmer is not the best he is certainly not the worst. BP won 2 SBs and will go to the hall of Fame.

BP won that last super bowl 17yrs ago too didnt he?

and Zimmer has been the king of the no pass rush scheme for 7yrs

as for Ross, you are remembering what you want...some did have him rated as a late 1st or early 2nd rd pick...and we got the guy in the 3rd

David

 

[dbair1967]

You keep trying to ignore the charactor issues that were WELL KNOWN at the time about both Bryant and Ross. THAT is where Jerrah screwed up. The red flags were waving in the wind and he ignored them. Gurode came out PRIMARILY as a Guard, NOT a center. IT was thought that he would make a better guard due to his size. Turned out that was wrong- but a lot of smart people thought the other way.

yeah...a certain owner of ours proclaimed he'd be the answer at C the day we drafted him...remember?

and I am not ignoring character issues...I'm pointing out the draft was WORKED correctly...too many on here believe we'll suddenly go drafting 2nd day talent in the 1st or 2nd rd, and that really isnt the case

David

 

[STSINAZ]

dude you are tripping...roy is overrated and cant cover anyone...gurode had one good year...the rest are done...come on man...jerrah knows what he is doing!lol

 

[burmafrd]

You HAVE to factor charactor in JUST as much as talent. Jerrah did NOT do that and that was his main failure.
As regards Ross- none of the MAJOR players in the draft scene had him as a first rd pick. I really do not care what some podunk blog guy thought.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

Well you can go and add in the #1 pick for the 2003 season, Terrance Newman, to that stack of players, also. For those whom remember correctly, Parcells wanted nothing to do with that pick but went along with it anyway.

 

[burmafrd]

BP wanted a DT but was not unhappy with Newman.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The big thing that gets me is this year we probably would pass on Bryant and Ross with their character issues. Personally I'm glad to see the fear of drafting bad character guys like that push down their stock.

 

[Woods]

Bottom line is that we got 2 Pro Bowl quality players out of that draft, which is super, IMO.

This time around, it seems Ireland is making sure the guys we draft don't have similar character concerns (as Bryant, Ross).

I'm not saying we're going to get 2 more Pro Bowl quality players today and tomorrow, but atleast we should have guys who want to play football, football is important to them, and that they don't have character concerns.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I agree, David.

And the one mistake Jerry did make -- taking known headcases and knuckleheads even though they had talent -- should be helped by Parcells' and Ireland's emphasis on character. Plus, the whole QC embarrassment seems to have made an impact on Jerry, too.

I feel fine about today.

 

[notherbob]

We all knew Bryant and Ross were character long shots when Jerry picked them, we just hoped against hope that they would work out but didn't really expect them to. If they had it would have been a fantastic draft but as it was, they flopped.

As much as I ridicule Jerry's drafting, I was pretty much in agreement with him on trying them on for size to see if they fit, I thought he grabbed them a round or two too soon, but I wouldn't have moved up for either one of them.

I wonder what today will bring? I'm in no hurry to find out. Since I never watch college ball, I don't know anything about these guys so I just wait and see how they pan out, if they do. Don't get very excited about it one way or another. A long time ago I accepted the fact that I will never be able to fathom how Jerry's twisted mind works so I simply patiently wait for the outcome to become clear. Whatever will be, will be.

 

[Manster68]

Ross was not a borderline 1st rd pick. He was strictly 2nd rd at best. He had the raw physical talent- BUT even then there were serious questions about his work ethic and willingness to be coached. Very valid concerns as it turned out. Bryant had red flags all over the place- once again valid as things turned out. Pete Hunter - another case of lots of talent but dime head. Jerrah got the talent part right- but as regards everything else he blew it. Lets be brutally truthfull here: Gurode took 4 years to really finally arrive; and Roy has had some problems.

Derek Ross had 5 picks just like Newman once did (no disrespect to Newman), and he did that on a worse defense.

Many offensive linemen take several years to develop. That is why you need to be patient with them. Mark Teunei, Kevin Gogan and Nate Newton took over five years to blossom. How did that fare for the patience of Landry and Johnson?

I still think Stephen Peterman is going to be a solid offensive lineman, but he will be that with another team.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Sorry, but 2 outta 8= 25% and that SUCKS! Not much hope if that's the best he can do without Jimmy or Bill, I just hope he LISTENS to someone besides Loser Lasewell or Coach GunSmoke.:

 

[zrinkill]

 

[dbair1967]

Sorry, but 2 outta 8= 25% and that SUCKS! Not much hope if that's the best he can do without Jimmy or Bill, I just hope he LISTENS to someone besides Loser Lasewell or Coach GunSmoke.:

somebody else that didnt get the context of the thread



David

 

[Royal Laegotti]

somebody else that didnt get the context of the thread



David

I see that your displaying flawed thinking. Are we trying to get just "talented" players and work a draft according to what the talking hair do's say or are we trying to select talented players that will be helping the team win for years to come. So what if he drafted talented players, where are all but 2 of them now, either not in the league or bouncing around from team to team. So if they aren't helping the Cowboys, the picks sucked. Your just trying to show Jerry some man love that's all and he doesn't deserve any for the drafts he has run without Jimmy or Bill. Does that mean this draft will suck, NO, but the percentages are that it will, especially now that Lacewell and Switzer are factors in it.