News: Let’s Talk About Six, Baby: Cowboys’ WR corps ranks highly. Too high?

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Is not excuses its fact. Without Rice and Montana/Young do they still win 5?

Those guys being injured should mean that the other players step up their own contributions, not disappear like they did.

Nobody is expecting a Super Bowl after those injuries, but they're not expecting a disappearing offense either.
 

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Man....the main reason Matt Cassel and Brandon Weeden were so terrible is depth at WR. ... get off!

We need a WR ala' KMart that can bust a nut on a regular basis for 3rd down conversions.
 

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Something 36 WR's topped.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/receiving.htm

Not a WR1. A WR2 and nothing more. Like I said.

That showed he had merit...but he also did that without Tony and Dez, both. Wonder how much easier his #2 role would have been with both of them. Thus, with movement up on the listing you hint at.

He's never been marketed as a #1 receiver from the start...and there are 32 teams with a #1 receiver of their own?

Thirty-six, even with a pair of handcuffs, is actually pretty strong a showing.
 

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We're it an option, I would have given you two likes.

Here's another dimension opened up:

Third Down Efficiency Needs A Boost
Posted on May 23, 2016 by Ben Grimaldi 6 Comments
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http://cowboyszone.com/2016/05/third-down-efficiency-needs-a-boost.html



The Dallas Cowboys weren’t a very good team last season, no one can dispute that. Pick a category and the Cowboys struggled, third-down efficiency was no different.

In 2014, the offense was one of the best in the NFL at converting on third downs. Last season, not so much. The Cowboys ranked second in the league in 2014, converting at 47.09 percent. Dallas dipped dramatically last year, falling to 26th in the league, successful just 34.55 percent of the time.

Some of the reasons why are obvious; no Tony Romo and no Dez Bryant meant playing behind the chains, something the offense couldn’t overcome without their best players on the field. The Cowboys were also extremely successful on the short-yardage situations in 2014 with DeMarco Murray, something they failed on in too many occasions last year. Starting running backs Darren McFadden and Joseph Randle were not able to prolong drives like Murray had and drives stalled far too often.

One of the reasons Dallas drafted Ezekiel Elliott was to make sure the offense stayed on the field. As we’ve mentioned hundreds of times this off-season, the idea is simple; keep the aging quarterback from taking hits, keep the defense on the sidelines and sustain drives that end in points. The team floundered on that plan in 2015 because they couldn’t keep the offense on the field. The result was the defense had to play too many snaps on the season and couldn’t get stops when they needed them...
 

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One of the reasons Dallas drafted Ezekiel Elliott was to make sure the offense stayed on the field. As we’ve mentioned hundreds of times this off-season, the idea is simple; keep the aging quarterback from taking hits, keep the defense on the sidelines and sustain drives that end in points. The team floundered on that plan in 2015 because they couldn’t keep the offense on the field. The result was the defense had to play too many snaps on the season and couldn’t get stops when they needed them...
Also why we signed Alfred Morris. 3rd and short is his down to pound.
 

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Also why we signed Alfred Morris. 3rd and short is his down to pound.

Using the CCBoy cereal box decoder ring, that translates to: opposing linebacker heads will be in a fog during games against Dallas.
 

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Here's another dimension opened up:

Third Down Efficiency Needs A Boost
Posted on May 23, 2016 by Ben Grimaldi 6 Comments
http://cowboyszone.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2015/09/Jason-Witten-and-Terrance-Williams-celebrate-300x200.jpg
http://cowboyszone.com/2016/05/third-down-efficiency-needs-a-boost.html



The Dallas Cowboys weren’t a very good team last season, no one can dispute that. Pick a category and the Cowboys struggled, third-down efficiency was no different.

In 2014, the offense was one of the best in the NFL at converting on third downs. Last season, not so much. The Cowboys ranked second in the league in 2014, converting at 47.09 percent. Dallas dipped dramatically last year, falling to 26th in the league, successful just 34.55 percent of the time.

Some of the reasons why are obvious; no Tony Romo and no Dez Bryant meant playing behind the chains, something the offense couldn’t overcome without their best players on the field. The Cowboys were also extremely successful on the short-yardage situations in 2014 with DeMarco Murray, something they failed on in too many occasions last year. Starting running backs Darren McFadden and Joseph Randle were not able to prolong drives like Murray had and drives stalled far too often.

One of the reasons Dallas drafted Ezekiel Elliott was to make sure the offense stayed on the field. As we’ve mentioned hundreds of times this off-season, the idea is simple; keep the aging quarterback from taking hits, keep the defense on the sidelines and sustain drives that end in points. The team floundered on that plan in 2015 because they couldn’t keep the offense on the field. The result was the defense had to play too many snaps on the season and couldn’t get stops when they needed them...

It truly does amaze me the myopic view fan's and media alike tend to adopt following a season of success and/or failure. They cannot for the life of them look beyond the win/loss ratio. If you were good last year, they expect you to be better the next year. If you were bad last year, they expect more of the same if not worse. They don't consider the injuries. They don't consider the context of each game. They don't consider the near-wins and the near-losses. All they see is black and white...wins and losses.

And it so unbelievably frustrating for me to sit here and watch these fans spout off stats like it's the end-all be-all of football. As though previously attained numbers define minutely what we should expect in the upcoming season...which is a singularity; an entity unto itself. Sure, you can make predictions and even be right a good portion of the time. But if you are looking at stats from the previous seasons and stats alone, you will likely be very wrong. For instance, if we look at stats alone, we could predict that McFadden will improve on his stats from the previous season. What does that prediction lack? Context. The context of McFadden's situation is that Zeke will be the starter and McFadden will be lucky to still be a member of the Cowboys following the final cuts.
 

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I just don't believe in TWill. I think if we replace him with Anquan Boldin, then that's a WR Corp that gives defenses real problems.

I know he's a progress stopper, but I don't see TWill progress anyway. So let's go win a super bowl with AB and draft a new WR next year.
 

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Williams is actually a really good fit on this team for a lot for reasons

He's not a #1 WR so people are a bit upset...but we don't need him to be a #1...we have a #1..hes a really good big play guy and that's precisely what we need him for...we have Witten and Beasley underneath for the more reliable options when needed...

When the play breaks down, especially in this offense, with Romo at qb..this team needs a WR who can thrive...Williams does just that

He isn't a guy capable of doing a lot of things..sure..but he's really good at what we need him to be really good at..he's a good fit here...

For now
 

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Those guys being injured should mean that the other players step up their own contributions, not disappear like they did.

Nobody is expecting a Super Bowl after those injuries, but they're not expecting a disappearing offense either.

Again when you take out your Pro bowl QB and all pro WR you are going to struggle. It's not excuses its fact, you can take any teams number 1 WR and QB and their offense stumbles as well.

You take Eli and Odell out and bet giants winning 2-4 games. .....maybe. Nassib to Cruz will not set the league in fire
 

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Again when you take out your Pro bowl QB and all pro WR you are going to struggle. It's not excuses its fact, you can take any teams number 1 WR and QB and their offense stumbles as well.

You take Eli and Odell out and bet giants winning 2-4 games. .....maybe. Nassib to Cruz will not set the league in fire

I'm not denying that. An offense would definitely struggle. But that's when the role players need to step up their game and carry a bigger part of the offense, not disappear like these guys did.

And this team won 1 game without those players and even that was a gift from a boneheaded Desean Jackson play.

The team needed players to step up, and instead they got players who shrank away from the challenge.
 

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If Dez is 100% healthy we might have the best wr core in the division I don't know about the league. ..#6 is kind of a stretch unless Twill and Beasley have break out seasons.

But as of now Washington clearly has the best group of wrs. Followed by a tie between Dallas and the Giants.
 

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I just don't believe in TWill. I think if we replace him with Anquan Boldin, then that's a WR Corp that gives defenses real problems.

I know he's a progress stopper, but I don't see TWill progress anyway. So let's go win a super bowl with AB and draft a new WR next year.

Maybe Anquan Boldin from a few years ago. The current AB looks slower than Witten and that's just not what we need. We need overall team speed on this offense which the body catcher unfortunately is the best we got
 

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Rank them wherever you like because there is no one right answer. The dynamics between passing and receiving take a couple of years to develop. Last year we lost our no. 1 receiver and our No.1 QB so it forces everyone to step up their game, except they had to adjust to a carousel of 4 different QB's. It's hard enough to get the timing down with everyone on board.

Williams is a solid number 2 and probably nothing more, considering Witten is actually the no. 2. Butler is likely a number 2 with upside, and with a full year with Romo he will take the path of Robinson to a multi year deal and thank Romo on his way out the door. Unless we keep him in favor of Williams. Beasley simply moves the chains which somehow is often overlooked. Street is the progress stopper.

You have Dez, Witten, and Beasley to move the chains and Dez, Williams, and Butler to make the big plays. If everyone stays healthy then I can see top 5. You can lose your top player and everyone can step up, but when you lose both the top QB and your top WR there is just too much to overcome.
 

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I'm not denying that. An offense would definitely struggle. But that's when the role players need to step up their game and carry a bigger part of the offense, not disappear like these guys did.

And this team won 1 game without those players and even that was a gift from a boneheaded Desean Jackson play.

The team needed players to step up, and instead they got players who shrank away from the challenge.

Perhaps T Will does some individual growth, now that he has shouldered the role change once. That growth portion happens to a lot of players who finally see the dedication and intense work to forge a final step to intimidating.
 

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Rank them wherever you like because there is no one right answer. The dynamics between passing and receiving take a couple of years to develop. Last year we lost our no. 1 receiver and our No.1 QB so it forces everyone to step up their game, except they had to adjust to a carousel of 4 different QB's. It's hard enough to get the timing down with everyone on board.

Williams is a solid number 2 and probably nothing more, considering Witten is actually the no. 2. Butler is likely a number 2 with upside, and with a full year with Romo he will take the path of Robinson to a multi year deal and thank Romo on his way out the door. Unless we keep him in favor of Williams. Beasley simply moves the chains which somehow is often overlooked. Street is the progress stopper.

You have Dez, Witten, and Beasley to move the chains and Dez, Williams, and Butler to make the big plays. If everyone stays healthy then I can see top 5. You can lose your top player and everyone can step up, but when you lose both the top QB and your top WR there is just too much to overcome.

Step...step...step...step, and in the plant keep hose pressure at 116 pounds off the truck.
 

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check out Randall Cobb's numbers from last year after Nelson went down. And that's with Rogers for 16 games. Having your # 1 and 2 together is relative.
 
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