Let me show you how the refs completely botched the spotting of the ball after Dak's slide

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We have to go back to the Cowboys' last brutal playoff defeat, in 2019 against the Rams.

In that game, the Rams were driving just before halftime to try and secure a long field goal attempt for a kicker some of you may have heard of, named Greg Zuerlein.

With no timeouts left, Jared Goff completes a pass across the middle to Robert Woods, who is tackled and immediately spots the ball himself. The center grabs the ball and the offense gets in position to snap it. At no point does anyone hand the ball to the referee. In fact, if you blink, you may have missed the referee completely. He zooms into the screen momentarily, lightly taps the top of the football, then scurries out of the way so the Rams can snap the ball and clock it.

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Contrary to what Tony Romo would like you to believe, the referee does not need to be physically handed the football, they simply need to touch it. Biadasz had the ball in hand, on the turf, with four seconds left on the clock. A competent referee simply needed to run to the line (but not into the quarterback), touch the football, and then get out of the way, allowing it to be snapped and clocked with about one second to spare.

A few things:

1. This is not the reason the Cowboys lost.

2. Asking Dak to run, slide, and clock the ball was still a dumb, and far too risky, play call.

3. This is not a conspiracy against the Cowboys; it's incompetent officiating.

4. Regardless of points 1, 2 & 3, the fact of the matter is the Cowboys absolutely should have gotten the opportunity to run one more play from the 24-yard-line.
 

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We have to go back to the Cowboys' last brutal playoff defeat, in 2019 against the Rams.

In that game, the Rams were driving just before halftime to try and secure a long field goal attempt for a kicker some of you may have heard of, named Greg Zuerlein.

With no timeouts left, Jared Goff completes a pass across the middle to Robert Woods, who is tackled and immediately spots the ball himself. The center grabs the ball and the offense gets in position to snap it. At no point does anyone hand the ball to the referee. In fact, if you blink, you may have missed the referee completely. He zooms into the screen momentarily, lightly taps the top of the football, then scurries out of the way so the Rams can snap the ball and clock it.

Watch:

RAMSCOWBOYS-2.gif



Contrary to what Tony Romo would like you to believe, the referee does not need to be physically handed the football, they simply need to touch it. Biadasz had the ball in hand, on the turf, with four seconds left on the clock. A competent referee simply needed to run to the line (but not into the quarterback), touch the football, and then get out of the way, allowing it to be snapped and clocked with about one second to spare.

A few things:

1. This is not the reason the Cowboys lost.

2. Asking Dak to run, slide, and clock the ball was still a dumb, and far too risky, play call.

3. This is not a conspiracy against the Cowboys; it's incompetent officiating.

4. Regardless of points 1, 2 & 3, the fact of the matter is the Cowboys absolutely should have gotten the opportunity to run one more play from the 24-yard-line.
ref was so late to the line maybe he had an injury but shouldn't have come down to that last play. play call executions refs all to blame
 

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Exactly, fans are acting like if we could have spiked the ball we would have won the game.

Even if we get the spike with 1 second left, we have one play from the 25 yard line to throw the ball into the end zone with dam near all 11 defenders standing at the goalline. That is like maybe 2-3% chance at best.


Who says we would have won the game?

The point is the team should have had one more play. What they do with that play is anyone’s best guess. But they should have had it.

Nobody has said if they get one more play they win. Reading is not difficult.
 
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We have to go back to the Cowboys' last brutal playoff defeat, in 2019 against the Rams.

In that game, the Rams were driving just before halftime to try and secure a long field goal attempt for a kicker some of you may have heard of, named Greg Zuerlein.

With no timeouts left, Jared Goff completes a pass across the middle to Robert Woods, who is tackled and immediately spots the ball himself. The center grabs the ball and the offense gets in position to snap it. At no point does anyone hand the ball to the referee. In fact, if you blink, you may have missed the referee completely. He zooms into the screen momentarily, lightly taps the top of the football, then scurries out of the way so the Rams can snap the ball and clock it.

Watch:

RAMSCOWBOYS-2.gif



Contrary to what Tony Romo would like you to believe, the referee does not need to be physically handed the football, they simply need to touch it. Biadasz had the ball in hand, on the turf, with four seconds left on the clock. A competent referee simply needed to run to the line (but not into the quarterback), touch the football, and then get out of the way, allowing it to be snapped and clocked with about one second to spare.

A few things:

1. This is not the reason the Cowboys lost.

2. Asking Dak to run, slide, and clock the ball was still a dumb, and far too risky, play call.

3. This is not a conspiracy against the Cowboys; it's incompetent officiating.

4. Regardless of points 1, 2 & 3, the fact of the matter is the Cowboys absolutely should have gotten the opportunity to run one more play from the 24-yard-line.
 

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He wasn’t saying you have to hand the ball to the ref. He was just saying that was the smarter thing to do to make it easier for the ref to spot it correctly (vs. the ref having to locate the ball on the ground, verify the spot, and then move it if necessary). Amazing how you have a whole post that is so wrong.

No, Romo literally said you have to hand the ball to the referee.
 

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Theoretically, the 49ers could have just let Dak slide and not touched him down, thus letting a few more seconds run off the clock and effectively ending the game without the Cowboys even getting to the line to attempt a snap.

It's an interesting play in the sense that yes, the defense was caught off guard. They were not expecting it and didn't quite know how to react. Immediately tackling/touching Dak as he slid was, in hindsight, probably the wrong move. Let him slide - he still has to be touched down.

when you slide you give your self up no need to touch down and refs actully could have flagged 49ers for hitting sliding QB
 

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You are looking for any example that supports your view, and the one you found doesn't even do that. The ref still touches the ball. Watch any play. Usually the player tosses the ball to the ref so he can spot the ball. Why would you dispute this was the right thing to do? And you aren't even addressing that the Cowboys players blocked the ref from getting to the ball, and the ref felt he had to re-spot the ball because the players gave themselves an extra yard.

Yes, that’s literally my entire point. The ref only touches the ball. He doesn’t have to be handed the ball to spot it himself. He only has to touch it.

The rest of your post makes no sense. Nobody blocked the ref. The Cowboys hurried to line up just like the Rams did. The only difference in the two plays is where the referee enters the picture (from the side in the Rams game vs. trying to squeeze between the offensive line in the Cowboys game).
 

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We have to go back to the Cowboys' last brutal playoff defeat, in 2019 against the Rams.

In that game, the Rams were driving just before halftime to try and secure a long field goal attempt for a kicker some of you may have heard of, named Greg Zuerlein.

With no timeouts left, Jared Goff completes a pass across the middle to Robert Woods, who is tackled and immediately spots the ball himself. The center grabs the ball and the offense gets in position to snap it. At no point does anyone hand the ball to the referee. In fact, if you blink, you may have missed the referee completely. He zooms into the screen momentarily, lightly taps the top of the football, then scurries out of the way so the Rams can snap the ball and clock it.

Watch:

RAMSCOWBOYS-2.gif



Contrary to what Tony Romo would like you to believe, the referee does not need to be physically handed the football, they simply need to touch it. Biadasz had the ball in hand, on the turf, with four seconds left on the clock. A competent referee simply needed to run to the line (but not into the quarterback), touch the football, and then get out of the way, allowing it to be snapped and clocked with about one second to spare.

A few things:

1. This is not the reason the Cowboys lost.

2. Asking Dak to run, slide, and clock the ball was still a dumb, and far too risky, play call.

3. This is not a conspiracy against the Cowboys; it's incompetent officiating.

4. Regardless of points 1, 2 & 3, the fact of the matter is the Cowboys absolutely should have gotten the opportunity to run one more play from the 24-yard-line.

Not to mention Woods gives himself an extra yard on his own spot
 

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ref was so late to the line maybe he had an injury but shouldn't have come down to that last play. play call executions refs all to blame
Also the receiver was down on the 46 and placed the ball on the 45.Should have been respotted.Yesterday the ref respotted the ball then put it back to were it was.I also find it hard to believe 300+ linemen can get down the field and in their stance before the ref shows up.
 

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The ref`s hold no blame, your example is wrong different clock time and yards as well as running the ball vs passing. Ref did his job correctly just pure stupidity on the whole O side of the ball.

Whether it’s a run or a pass play are completely irrelevant. So is the time and yardage left. These have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the ref needs to be handed the ball.
 

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It was a strange hill for Tony to die on. So adamant that Dak screwed up by not handing the ball to the referee, as if that is some written-in-stone bylaw.

If I didn't know any better, I would think that perhaps there was some personal vendetta motivating his commentary.


Oh jeeze......

Dak is not a special needs that requires your protection.

It's the heat of the moment, a wild game, Tony mispeaks, made a mistake or plain wrong.

but now he's jealous of Dak.

People....sheesh. Good lord.
 

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Also the receiver was down on the 46 and placed the ball on the 45.Should have been respotted.Yesterday the ref respotted the ball then put it back to were it was.I also find it hard to believe 300+ linemen can get down the field and in their stance before the ref shows up.
yup no one wants to see the ref was severely late , if he cant run and do his job, replace him..hard to and the ball to a ghost,lmao.,
 

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The really maddening thing is how he basically blocked us snapping the ball even after he held us up - properly - I might add - to allow San Francisco to make its subs. But instead of stepping away he cuts right across the line where the ball is supposed to be snapped while there was still time to snap it. He made it impossible to avoid the penalty when we could have without risking the ball hitting him and possibly resulting in a game-killing turnover. That cannot be a penalty. I cannot believe the booth in New York didn't see that and couldn't have have buzzed down and said there is no foul for delay of game because of the offic1al making it impossible to snap the ball. Something was very wrong there. And but for that penalty we might finish that drive in the end zone. and guess what , scary as it might have been, it might have been 23-20 with 38 seconds to play, and we would have been in field goal range before that last play. 50-50 shot for sure but I would have been a real shot.

That could have been one of the most awkward, weird and STUPID plays I've seen in quite some time.
 

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Yes, that’s literally my entire point. The ref only touches the ball. He doesn’t have to be handed the ball to spot it himself. He only has to touch it.

The rest of your post makes no sense. Nobody blocked the ref. The Cowboys hurried to line up just like the Rams did. The only difference in the two plays is where the referee enters the picture (from the side in the Rams game vs. trying to squeeze between the offensive line in the Cowboys game).
Read the tweet from Dan Orlavsky someone else posted here. You are living in a fantasy land of your own making.
 

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Read the tweet from Dan Orlavsky someone else posted here. You are living in a fantasy land of your own making.

I saw the tweet you’re referring to. He says Dak needed to look for the ref and hand him the ball. He’s incorrect. The Rams play proves this.
 

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The really maddening thing is how he basically blocked us snapping the ball even after he held us up - properly - I might add - to allow San Francisco to make its subs. But instead of stepping away he cuts right across the line where the ball is supposed to be snapped while there was still time to snap it. He made it impossible to avoid the penalty when we could have without risking the ball hitting him and possibly resulting in a game-killing turnover. That cannot be a penalty. I cannot believe the booth in New York didn't see that and couldn't have have buzzed down and said there is no foul for delay of game because of the offic1al making it impossible to snap the ball. Something was very wrong there. And but for that penalty we might finish that drive in the end zone. and guess what , scary as it might have been, it might have been 23-20 with 38 seconds to play, and we would have been in field goal range before that last play. 50-50 shot for sure but I would have been a real shot.
Can you imagine, if that had been buzzed down on that play, we would have gotten the 1 second at the end of the game because the same thing happened again.
 

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Whether it’s a run or a pass play are completely irrelevant. So is the time and yardage left. These have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the ref needs to be handed the ball.
It's the time it takes to run the ball vs time a pass takes,it could have been worse Dak could have tied to toss the ball to the ref and miss him too. Unfortunately it was a terrible call and horrible execution.
 

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It's the time it takes to run the ball vs time a pass takes,it could have been worse Dak could have tied to toss the ball to the ref and miss him too. Unfortunately it was a terrible call and horrible execution.

What does this have to do with whether or not the ref needs to be handed the ball to spot it?
 
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