Let them all go

[Stash]

On what basis? Where do you see improvement from the day he took over? He is two games over 500, the team collapses and disapears when it counts. They expect to lose and do when the chips are down. He is a mediocre OC. What more do you need to see? He'll be give two more years, and they'll be wasted just like Wade, Campo, Gailey etc.

I just don't think it's a great straategy to pull the plug on a coach every year. At some point, you have to give him a true amount of time to put his stamp on the team.

And if he fails, he fails. But pulling the plug on him after just one abbreviated offseason seems unfair to me.

I can see the furstration of wasting the prime of Romo, Ware, and several others' careers along the way, but I think when you hire a coach you have to give him time to shape the team and execute his plan. For better or worse.

 

[JonJon]

Having fans holler who the assistant coaches should be is a joke.

I see nothing wrong with that. It's true that our voice probably will not be heard, but it still doesn't mean we should sit back and take whatever crap the organization dishes out with open arms. (I get your point BTW, just pointing that out).

 

[Doomsday101]

I see nothing wrong with that. It's true that our voice probably will not be heard, but it still doesn't mean we should sit back and take whatever crap the organization dishes out with open arms. (I get your point BTW, just pointing that out).

The point is the HC is the man where the responsiblity falls. His staff should be just that his staff. If they fail him and it cost him his job well then it was Garrett own doing.

Let me also add all these assistant coaches know this game better than any of the experts on this sight. I know that is hard for people to comprehend.

If Jason goes out tomorrow and fires them all including Rob Ryan then great because I want to see Jason hire the people he wants after all it is his job that is on the line.

 

[Stash]

As I said if he fails then he should be fired. Having fans holler who the assistant coaches should be is a joke. Fans are not the ones with their job on the line the HC is and thus the HC should hire or fire any of the assistant coaches on his staff.

Fans have every right to take issue with lousy coaches. Why should they mindlessly subscribe to every decisin Garrett makes? The only 'joke' is checking your brain at the door and sheepishly accepting whatever results you get.

I am holding Garrett responsible in the end it all falls to him and if I feel that way then I at least should back off on who he hires or fires.

I will not blame the assistant coaches for the failure or success I put that squarely on the HC

Ultimately it's his responsibility and his decision, but that won't stop me or others from weighing in on whether I agree or disagree with him.

If he chooses to retain Houck, Campo, or Maxie I feel it's a mistake and will express that and further question whether Garrett is truly the right man for the job.

 

[supercowboy8]

I agree with this. But from listening to Garrett and reading his vibe, I have no doubt there will be some major changes with the assistant coaches this offseason. IIRC, Campo was only retained because we failed to sign the DB coach we really wanted.

I agree, Jerome Henderson will be our nes DB coach, I hope. We went after him last year but the Browns blocked us, he had one year left and will now be available after the superbowl.

 

[Stash]

The point is the HC is the man where the responsiblity falls. His staff should be just that his staff. If they fail him and it cost him his job well then it was Garrett own doing.

Let me also add all these assistant coaches know this game better than any of the experts on this sight. I know that is hard for people to comprehend.

Not hard at all. What is apparently hard for some to comprehend is that they're not beyond reproach or above being questioned. After all, these are the folks that brought us 8-8.

I don't play pro football either, but it doesn't mean I have no right to express an opinion on the subject.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fans have every right to take issue with lousy coaches. Why should they mindlessly subscribe to every decisin Garrett makes? The only 'joke' is checking your brain at the door and sheepishly accepting whatever results you get.



Ultimately it's his responsibility and his decision, but that won't stop me or others from weighing in on whether I agree or disagree with him.

If he chooses to retain Houck, Campo, or Maxie I feel it's a mistake and will express that and further question whether Garrett is truly the right man for the job.

I put it all on Garrett no matter who his assistant are. If you think a guy should be fired, great good for you it means nothing to me.

What matter to me is having a HC who has the ability to hire and fire coaches and players at his discretion instead of say Jerry doing it.

People have hollered about having a HC and not some puppet fine I'm all for it and in my view part of that is the HC hiring his own people if they fail it is the HC who is on the hook no one else.

If I had to take a guess at all coaches returning I would say that is very unlikely I would expect there will be changes and some of these coaches may not be what the fans want but then I don't care what fans want they do not coach this team.

Who are the best people to Coach Garrett system? I would guess Garrett would know this better than fans

 

[ufcrules1]

What ever Garrett and wants I hope he gets. If that is getting rid of all these assistant coaches fine if it is keeping them fine.

Wow... just let the guy decide who has been learning on the job this year.

 

[Stash]

I put it all on Garrett no matter who his assistant are. If you think a guy should be fired, great good for you it means nothing to me.

What matter to me is having a HC who has the ability to hire and fire coaches and players at his discretion instead of say Jerry doing it.

People have hollered about having a HC and not some puppet fine I'm all for it and in my view part of that is the HC hiring his own people if they fail it is the HC who is on the hook no one else.

To a great extent, I can agree with you. But I think that these are exceptions to that rule as they were coaches who had been here and were given plenty of opportunity to show what they could and could not do. They've had their chance and they've come up short yet again.

I would not express the same outrage if it were truly a Garrett hire who had been given just one season to prove himself.

If I had to take a guess at all coaches returning I would say that is very unlikely I would expect there will be changes and some of these coaches may not be what the fans want but then I don't care what fans want they do not coach this team.

Who are the best people to Coach Garrett system? I would guess Garrett would know this better than fans

Maybe he does, maybe not. He doesn't get a free pass from me or the belief that he's all-knowing and infallible. I saw him screw up plenty this season. Including a first-hand view of that joke 3rd and 19 playcall in Tampa Bay.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not hard at all. What is apparently hard for some to comprehend is that they're not beyond reproach or above being questioned. After all, these are the folks that brought us 8-8.

I don't play pro football either, but it doesn't mean I have no right to express an opinion on the subject.

Beyond reproach? It falls to him it is his job if he fail he will get fired. If what you want fails no one cares because what you want has no effect on the team. Not hard to understand that, we can make all these calls of what we want and if we are wrong what accountability do you have? None.

All I'm doing is placing the entire blame or credit on the HC where it belongs. If Garrett and his staff fail it falls on Garrett plain and simple

I have never said you did not have a right to express your opinion, In the big picture all I want is Garrett to run things as he sees fit.

 

[Stash]

I agree, Jerome Henderson will be our nes DB coach, I hope. We went after him last year but the Browns blocked us, he had one year left and will now be available after the superbowl.

I'd love for this to be the case!

 

[Doomsday101]

To a great extent, I can agree with you. But I think that these are exceptions to that rule as they were coaches who had been here and were given plenty of opportunity to show what they could and could not do. They've had their chance and they've come up short yet again.

I would not express the same outrage if it were truly a Garrett hire who had been given just one season to prove himself.



Maybe he does, maybe not. He doesn't get a free pass from me or the belief that he's all-knowing and infallible. I saw him screw up plenty this season. Including a first-hand view of that joke 3rd and 19 playcall in Tampa Bay.

Campo has SB rings here, evidently he can teach what the DC want him to do or the HC wants him to do he has done it. Remember Campo is not teaching guys what he wants he is teaching guys what the DC wants. Dave works for Ryan it is Ryan system. If they feel he is not doing what they want him to do then they should fire him.

 

[Stash]

Campo has SB rings here, evidently he can teach what the DC want him to do or the HC wants him to do he has done it. Remember Campo is not teaching guys what he wants he is teaching guys what the DC wants. Dave works for Ryan it is Ryan system. If they feel he is not doing what they want him to do then they should fire him.

And hopefully they will.

Campo hasn't done a good job in years.

Campo has 'done it' over 15 years ago. Maybe that's good enough for you, it's not for me.

He needed to go last year and the team failed to act. Hopefully they do not make that same mistake this year.

 

[MRV52]

I have a better idea get rid of Garrett and Ryan also. Get in Fisher and Spags and we have at least fixed one leak on our Titanic. Then we can worry about working on the roster. Everything starts at the top. Now if we could only get rid of Jerrah.

 

[dallasdave]

The coaches mentioned have done a poor job.

And they got the 'benefit of the doubt' from the Garrett supporters last year when folks said they should be sent packing.

And again they did a poor job this year.

'Benefit of the doubt' left town.

And if Garrett is keeping coaches like this around it's an indictment of him and his ability to assemble a quality staff.

Thankyou for saying and pointing this out. "true,very very true"

 

[Doomsday101]

And hopefully they will.

Campo hasn't done a good job in years.

Campo has 'done it' over 15 years ago. Maybe that's good enough for you, it's not for me.

He needed to go last year and the team failed to act. Hopefully they do not make that same mistake this year.

If that is what Garrett and I would think Ryan want then do it. Hell that goes for every single assistant but it does not change the over all big picture and that is if the team fails it will fall to the HC. There will not be any of this "I did not get to hire the people I wanted"

This notion I lap up what ever Garrett want is BS, I want Garrett to have the tools he thinks is best not what I think is best and then judge him on success and failure. I'm not going to make scapegoats of assistant coaches their job is to carry out what the HC and the OC/DC want and I'm in no position to determine what fits them only they can. All I can say is if I were in Garrett shoes that is all I could ask for in terms of getting a fair shake.

 

[dallasdave]

And hopefully they will.

Campo hasn't done a good job in years.

Campo has 'done it' over 15 years ago. Maybe that's good enough for you, it's not for me.

He needed to go last year and the team failed to act. Hopefully they do not make that same mistake this year.

amen to that -get rid of campo now

 

[Doomsday101]

I have a better idea get rid of Garrett and Ryan also. Get in Fisher and Spags and we have at least fixed one leak on our Titanic. Then we can worry about working on the roster. Everything starts at the top. Now if we could only get rid of Jerrah.

then they get 1 year and if we are not a top team fire them too.

Nothing personal about Fisher but I'm not overly impressed with him or the job he has done.

 

[Stash]

If that is what Garrett and I would think Ryan want then do it. Hell that goes for every single assistant but it does not change the over all big picture and that is if the team fails it will fall to the HC. There will not be any of this "I did not get to hire the people I wanted"

This notion I lap up what ever Garrett want is BS, I want Garrett to have the tools he thinks is best not what I think is best and then judge him on success and failure. I'm not going to make scapegoats of assistant coaches their job is to carry out what the HC and the OC/DC want and I'm in no position to determine what fits them only they can. All I can say is if I were in Garrett shoes that is all I could ask for in terms of getting a fair shake.

He's gotten what you're asking. He got to make the choice of retaining Campo, Maxie, and Houck last year - and he obviously made the wrong decision.

He now has the same choice of making the same mistake again or not. If he chooses to, it will be the end for him and the end for any hopes for the 2012 season.

 

[Doomsday101]

He's gotten what you're asking. He got to make the choice of retaining Campo, Maxie, and Houck last year - and he obviously made the wrong decision.

He now has the same choice of making the same mistake again or not. If he chooses to, it will be the end for him and the end for any hopes for the 2012 season.

and the HC should always have that choice. If we hire another DB coach or OL coach and do not win then it still falls on Garrett regardless. All I have stated is I will always give the coach leeway in who he signes as part of his staff because in the end it is not the staff I'm going to point a finger at it is the HC.