Let us just take a moment to mourn the 'Skins' season

[ShiningStar]

as long as NFCE fans of the other teams are in misery im good.

 

[AsthmaField]

The skill set is there, the problem I have with RG3 is his attitude. Not being able to take responsibility after a loss is troubling. Besides that, the kid can throw I'm just not sure he belongs on our team with that attitude.

The physical skills as far as arm strength and mobility, yes. However, it is what is between his ears that makes him a bad QB. He didn't have to learn much that NFL QB's have to have in order to have success in that 2012 offense.

Some people say it was his leg injury that ruined him, but to me that just seems crazy. He might have lost a little speed but it has nothing to do with his inability to have even a modicum of success in a normal NFL offense. He can still run faster than almost every other NFL QB. What is failing him is between his ears, and it is what most good QB's have. Not his knee.

He can't see things like he needs to. He can't process what he does see like he needs to. He can't make the decisions as quickly as he needs to. He can't anticipate like he needs to. He can't feel the pressure like he needs to, and he can't put the ball where he wants with the consistency that he needs to.

What is failing Griffin in the NFL is most certainly not his knee or his physical traits.

 

[KJJ]

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[AsthmaField]

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Bad time to be a Commanders fan. With any other franchise, the "We Suck" in the stands would be the offensive part of that picture. For the Commanders, it is the team logo in the center of the field.

Poor lil' Danny.

 

[KJJ]

Bad time to be a Commanders fan. With any other franchise, the "We Suck" in the stands would be the offensive part of that picture. For the Commanders, it is the team logo in the center of the field.

Poor lil' Danny.

Other than the 2012 season you would have to go back 24 years to find a good time to be a Commanders fan. Only Cleveland has had a worse time finding a QB than Washington. Commander fans were dancing in the streets with RG3 the toast of the town in 2012 how things have changed.

 

[KJJ]

Is it me or does Jay Gruden look like he's on the verge of a breakdown?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Is it me or does Jay Gruden look like he's on the verge of a meltdown?

Jay has been far better with the media in 2015 and shown an ability to learn.

I still don't think he is the right guy long term, but he isn't a disaster. He could probably be, with "his" QB a 10-6 to 12-4 coach and essentially turn the Commanders into the Bengals given time and patience

 

[KJJ]

Jay has been far better with the media in 2015 and shown an ability to learn.

I still don't think he is the right guy long term, but he isn't a disaster. He could probably be, with "his" QB a 10-6 to 12-4 coach and essentially turn the Commanders into the Bengals given time and patience

Can't recall a coach going after their QB like he did RG3 last season during that one presser where he heavily criticized him. I just get the feeling that if RG3 has another real bad performance this season where all hope looks lost with him Gruden just may lose it. Every once in awhile you see a little of his brothers crazy eyed look with him. Gruden is going to be on the hot seat this season.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Can't recall a coach going after their QB like he did RG3 last season during that one presser where he heavily criticized him. I just get the feeling that if RG3 has another real bad performance this season where all hope looks lost with him Gruden just may lose it. Gruden is going to be on the hot seat this season.

Key words, last season.

Griffin was terrible against the Lions but Jay said all the right things all week and held steadfast that Griffin is the starter when healthy.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Is Extremeskins in meltdown mode yet, those are the best days.

they are so pre occupied with this, I don't think they even realize that they resigned Trent Williams, their LT

http://theredzone.org/BlogDescripti...---66M-extension-with-Commanders/Default.aspx

didn't see it posted yet.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

they are so pre occupied with this, I don't think they even realize that they resigned Trent Williams, their LT

http://theredzone.org/BlogDescripti...---66M-extension-with-Commanders/Default.aspx

didn't see it posted yet.

Its in the twitter thread

 

[AsthmaField]

Remember the good old days, SkinsHokieFan?

Remember this conversation from back in 2012?

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/beating-washington.249507/page-5 There are some pretty interesting comments in there overall about the Commanders and Griffin.

You also said some interesting things back then. Among them that the Commanders would be contenders for a decade, that Kirk Cousins would recoup more than the 4th you guys spent on him, and that Griffin was the best QB in the division over Romo and Eli... that having Griffin would go a long way towards your team's goal of year in and year out competing for titles:


You

As expected. Cousins was a great pick in round 4 and will pay dividends down the line when he is traded. And yes, a team is being built for the long haul with Griffin its leader.

The shot in the arm to the franchise he has been is unreal. I said it on this board back when Shanny was hired we'd start to compete in 2012 once we had a QB in place.

Thank God Graham Gano missed those kicks vs you guys last year. Those 2 meaningless wins could have cost us Rg3

ME

Doesn't matter. Griffin isn't why you are winning. Shanahan is. He would have simply gotten another QB and the offense would be rolling. Just like he would have found someone other than Morris if he wouldn't have gotten him.

It is Shanahan and his scheme that is taking the team above average. I understand why you feel like it's Griffin, but you even admit that you knew 2012 would be when the team responded before you ever knew about RG3. Shanahan's 3rd year is why you're winning... not Griffin's first.

And I'm glad he missed the kicks. As it is you had to mortgage your future for Griffin, when you could have had Russell Wilson in the 3rd. Now that would have been good for the Commanders. As it is, you have no draft picks for what, half a decade?

You

7 next year, 6 the year after. Cousins should also recoup picks. I saw Wilson play plenty in college, terrific kid, good talent but not in the same universe as RG3 is talent wise.

The great thing with Bob is he is the perfect compliment to the stretch zone scheme. Throwing in the pistol formation (which Kyle learned this past summer) is genius and added to an incredible skill set.

You are right, its not all RG3. The combination of RG3+the smarts of both Shanahans and Dan Snyder all but gone into hiding, has turned this team into a contender in year 3, and will keep it a contending team for the next decade plus.

Me

Yes he [Russell Wilson] is and he would be doing just as good as Griffin.

Don't keep falling for the hype.

You

Nice try but not even close. No need to continue this discussion.

I am glad though you recognize Shanny's success. This forum doubted in early 2010 he'd be anything more then a Snyder big name bust. Clearly his plan is working and will continue to work now that a QB is in place and several young pieces are coming together. Having the youngest, and best QB in the division goes a long way towards that goal of year in year out competing for titles

As it turns out now, Shanahan was the reason for the team winning in 2012. Actually, Griffin can thank Shanahan for giving him that pop gun limited offense that didn't require much thinking. Once the NFL caught on to the trick, poor Griffin was done as a pro.

 

[KJJ]

Key words, last season.

Griffin was terrible against the Lions but Jay said all the right things all week and held steadfast that Griffin is the starter when healthy.

It was after the loss to the Bucs that Gruden called out RG3. Gruden came down so hard on him he apologized for calling him out. Like I said I can't recall a head coach calling their QB out like that which makes you wonder if Gruden can withstand another bad season mentally. Every once in awhile he gets a little of that crazy eyed look his brother has.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

As it turns out now, Shanahan was the reason for the team winning in 2012. Actually, Griffin can thank Shanahan for giving him that pop gun limited offense that didn't require much thinking. Once the NFL caught on to the trick, poor Griffin was done as a pro.

Care to talk about Shanahan's D and historically bad special teams?

Robert was actually serviceable, not good, but serviceable in 2013.

The special teams and D were complete failures in 2013. And that was on Mike.

But you never want to address that. I have asked you this about 16 times the last year.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

It was after the loss to the Bucs that Gruden called out RG3. Gruden came down so hard on him he apologized for calling him out. Like I said I can't recall a head coach calling their QB out like that which makes you wonder if Gruden can withstand another bad season mentally. Every once in awhile he gets a little of that crazy eyed look his brother has.

I know when it was. It was last season.

Do I think Gruden is the answer? No. Do I think he is, at least publically, acting better and learning? yes

 

[KJJ]

I know when it was. It was last season.

Do I think Gruden is the answer? No. Do I think he is, at least publically, acting better and learning? yes

The season hasn't started yet we'll see how he acts if RG3 has to be benched and the Commanders season goes down the toilet again.

 

[AsthmaField]

Care to talk about Shanahan's D and historically bad special teams?

Robert was actually serviceable, not good, but serviceable in 2013.

The special teams and D were complete failures in 2013. And that was on Mike.

But you never want to address that. I have asked you this about 16 times the last year.

Unless I'm forgetting something, I think you must be thinking of someone else. But if you want to talk about the failed defense and special teams... I have no trouble doing so.

They both sucked.

That still has no bearing on the fact that you said Griffin was the best, that he and Shanahan would have the Skins competing for titles for the next decade, and that you were completely thrilled to have given up 3 firsts and 1 second round pick for him. Not to mention that you said the Skins would have no problem trading Cousins for more than the 4th the Commanders spent on him.

But I do agree with you on the defense and special teams. They were almost as inept as Griffin's offense.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

The season hasn't started yet we'll see how he acts if RG3 has to be benched and the Commanders season goes down the toilet again.

1) I don't think he has an issue if he has to bench Robert

2) Nobody cares. The team is contending for a playoff spot in 2015. Thats been obvious since last year.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Unless I'm forgetting something, I think you must be thinking of someone else. But if you want to talk about the failed defense and special teams... I have no trouble doing so.

They both sucked.

That still has no bearing on the fact that you said Griffin was the best, that he and Shanahan would have the Skins competing for titles for the next decade, and that you were completely thrilled to have given up 3 firsts and 1 second round pick for him. Not to mention that you said the Skins would have no problem trading Cousins for more than the 4th the Commanders spent on him.

But I do agree with you on the defense and special teams. They were almost as inept as Griffin's offense.

And that is on Shannhan seeing he was head coach/VP of the team. And I am on my phone and not in a mood to go back over it.

Kyle did a great job with Robert in 2012. The combination of his injury+not wanting to run anymore ruined his career.

Mike screwed up the special teams and screwed up the D. And yes this convo has been with you because you have been all over Mike's nuts since he got fired at the end of 2013

 

[AsthmaField]

Is it me or does Jay Gruden look like he's on the verge of a breakdown?

He's under a little stress right now. The team isn't doing well and the only play he knows is the Spider 2 Y Banana that his brother showed him.