Let's all just get it off our chest; Carp was a bad draftpick

[Qwickdraw]

I'm not calling him a bust so calm down.
And don't give me this transition stuff.

Don't we have a few guys dressing and even starting from our 2nd round draftpick on?

Our 1st rounder looks like he may not even dress for some games early on.
And I didn't see ANYTHING from him in the preseason.

Let's face it, it seems like a bad pick.

 

[dal0789]

Dont jump the gun

 

[superpunk]

Let's face it. The season hasn't started yet.

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

I'm not calling him a bust so calm down.
And don't give me this transition stuff.

Don't we have a few guys dressing and even starting from our 2nd round draftpick on?

Our 1st rounder looks like he may not even dress for some games early on.
And I didn't see ANYTHING from him in the preseason.

Let's face it, it seems like a bad pick.

come on...

even jacob rogers got two seasons

 

[Qwickdraw]

come on...

even jacob rogers got two seasons

And what happened to him?


I'm not calling him a bust.
I'm just saying what everyone is thinking.

 

[Hiero]

I'm not calling him a bust so calm down.
And don't give me this transition stuff.

Don't we have a few guys dressing and even starting from our 2nd round draftpick on?

Our 1st rounder looks like he may not even dress for some games early on.
And I didn't see ANYTHING from him in the preseason.

Let's face it, it seems like a bad pick.

so what happens if this is Ellis last year, and Carp is a fulltime starter next year? and if he contributes this year to a super bowl run? Im not sure who else we could have gotten that would have been much better, especially considering hindsight is 20/20

 

[Qwickdraw]

so what happens if this is Ellis last year, and Carp is a fulltime starter next year? and if he contributes this year to a super bowl run? Im not sure who else we could have gotten that would have been much better, especially considering hindsight is 20/20

I personally wanted Marcus McNeill and Greg Jennings.

Right now, looks like both are starting for their teams.

 

[Connection20]

And what happened to him?


I'm not calling him a bust.
I'm just saying what everyone is thinking.

Ever heard the saying "assumption is the mother of all mess ups"? You shouldnt assume things. EVERYONE isnt thinking Carp is a bad pick. I happen to think hes a great pick.

Who of our starting LBers would you have him starting over right now? Oh..none? Ok then, shut up and move on. He isnt starting because of the emergence of Ellis, thats it, pure and simple.

Lastly, he will see extensive time on the nickel this year because he has shown hes very good in coverage.

 

[Hiero]

I personally wanted Marcus McNeill and Greg Jennings.

Right now, looks like both are starting for their teams.

I feel you on McNeill but there were way too many questions about his back, you can't draft a guy in the first rd with stenosis. Greg Jennings really what would he add, that we need this year, nothing at all really imo.

 

[junk]

I personally wanted Marcus McNeill and Greg Jennings.

Right now, looks like both are starting for their teams.

So you wanted to reach for Greg Jennings in 1? And he is starting for the Packers, who are terrible and who brought in Koren Robinson in their desperate search for wide receivers.

I don't think McNeil was even a consideration. He doesn't seem to be what Dallas is looking for a tackle at all.

Either way, I think I'll let Carpenter play some games before I call anyone a bust. It was a common perception around here that Carpenter might start the season behind Singleton and now because he isn't a starter people are jumping to conclusions.

 

[Hiero]

So you wanted to reach for Greg Jennings in 1? And he is starting for the Packers, who are terrible and who brought in Koren Robinson in their desperate search for wide receivers.

I don't think McNeil was even a consideration. He doesn't seem to be what Dallas is looking for a tackle at all.

Either way, I think I'll let Carpenter play some games before I call anyone a bust. It was a common perception around here that Carpenter might start the season behind Singleton and now because he isn't a starter people are jumping to conclusions.

does anyone really think McNeill would be much of an upgrade if at all over Colombo? Colombo doesn't have stenosis, he was a first rd pick and he has more experience at RT. Jennings in the first rd would have been a horrible pick. Maybe Chad Jackson if anyone at WR, but personally I dont think this was the year for a high pick at WR. maybe in a year or two.

 

[jterrell]

I can only assume this was an effort to get a pep talk from the forums.

Bradie James spent 2 years doing diddly squat for this team and I really thought he was gonna be cut in TC year 3. Now he's a legit Pro Bowl candidate for what is expected to be a top 5 defense.

Carpenter can play inside, outside and on special teams.

He isn't a starter but it hardly means he was a bad draft pick.

It does seem we would have been better off to look at one of those other positions more closely but in 2 years when the players are at their NFL selves this notion may be comical.

Greg Jennings dang sure wouldn't be starting here.

Marcus McNeill? Not sure at all he would. And if he didnt start could he be the "swing" tackle? I highly doubt it. He'd get McQ's spot at worst but who will be a better player in 5 years? Its very hard to say with OL.

Bottom line is this team is simply good and it would be dificult to start on it, only the 2nd rounder is starting for sure and thats because we changed formations, he certianly isn't bumping Jason Witten. Pat Watkins will get time but when he does replace Keith Davis he will be replacing an undrafted free agent not a first round pick or high priced free agent. We cut Boiman and traded away Shanle because we are simply deep at LB.

 

[Hiero]

I do somewhat disagree with the ayodele signing with the way things turned out. I guess with Burnett coming off an injury and the whole Ellis situation in limbo it was kind of insurance. Personally i hope to see burnett become the starter at MLB next to James, and Carpenter play SOLB.
I don't see how you can even mention Jennings though, when Carpenter is much more talented, and will contribute a lot more this season. drafting a guy in the first rd who is a huge reach and would be #4 WR at best this year, seems a lot sillier than solidifying our defense with a versatile young beast.

 

[Juke99]

I do somewhat disagree with the ayodele signing with the way things turned out. I guess with Burnett coming off an injury and the whole Ellis situation in limbo it was kind of insurance. Personally i hope to see burnett become the starter at MLB next to James, and Carpenter play SOLB.
I don't see how you can even mention Jennings though, when Carpenter is much more talented, and will contribute a lot more this season. drafting a guy in the first rd who is a huge reach and would be #4 WR at best this year, seems a lot sillier than solidifying our defense with a versatile young beast.

Yep. I am a big Burnett fan. I'm hoping for big things from him.

I also agree that I'd like to see Carpenter on the outside. Ya know, in this current version of the NFL, where high priced rookies need to contribute right away, it's tough to take a high draft pick and move him to a different position.

 

[dmq]

If we release him, he is sure to pass through wavers. Then we can sign him to the practice squad.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Just to clarify.

I wouldn't have wanted McNeill or Jennings in the 1st. But I would have loved a trade down for either.

And once again, I'm not calling Carp a bust.
I'm simply stating that I remember Ware having all of us on the edge of our seat last season and creating more of that buzz with his preseason play.
That's kinda what you want from a 1st round pick.

Carp has created nothing close to that level of anticipation.

 

[Juke99]

Mornin' gang.

I just want to provide a quick reminder...we all love a spirited debate.

This topic of this thread is a good one, albeit with volatile potential.

So, state your opinions as strongly as you'd like, just lay off the personal stuff.

Thanks

 

[cowboyed]

Just to clarify.

I wouldn't have wanted McNeill or Jennings in the 1st. But I would have loved a trade down for either.

And once again, I'm not calling Carp a bust.
I'm simply stating that I remember Ware having all of us on the edge of our seat last season and creating more of that with his preseason play.
That's what you want from a 1st round pick.

Carp has created nothing close to that level of anticipation.

Qwickdraw, hasn't Carpenter been moved inside and doesn't he in effect backup Bradie James? I do believe he is a little lost out there, but he will come around. Bradie James needed 2 seasons to come into his own.

Also some guys perform better when the lights are on during the regular season. I can't help but try to be optimistic, I am getting that heine puckering feeling now that the first game of the season is upon us.

 

[superpunk]

And what happened to him?


I'm not calling him a bust.
I'm just saying what everyone is thinking.

Noone is thinking it. The voices in your head aren't real.

 

[Connection20]

Just to clarify.

I wouldn't have wanted McNeill or Jennings in the 1st. But I would have loved a trade down for either.

And once again, I'm not calling Carp a bust.
I'm simply stating that I remember Ware having all of us on the edge of our seat last season and creating more of that buzz with his preseason play.
That's kinda what you want from a 1st round pick.

Carp has created nothing close to that level of anticipation.

Carson Palmer didnt have the preseason buzz his rookie year either. Culpepper, McNabb, Fabian Washington, Julian Peterson, Marcus Spears, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Vince Wilfork all showed nothing at all training camp thier rookie years. Now they are all either stars or on the verge of being stars.


Also, Ware there is a huge difference in picking 11 and picking 18. And, there is a big difference in what we "see" from those players when some are starting and some arent.