Let's be real, If Jason Garrett never played for this franchise

[RoyTheHammer]

Really, I don't care what your argument is, because, let me put it slow for you...

You were responding to me with an erroneous claim I never made.. So now, per your logic, field position has no bearing on scoring, because the offense still has to score..

So what does yards given up by a defense have to do with points given up by defense? Keep waffling in your inconsistencies... It's comical..

There's really no inconsistency if you want to understand what im saying.. that's really the only challange here for you.

Our defense gives up alot of yards and points.. and puts pressure on our offense to keep scoring all game long.

Let me clarify my points for you one last time:

Our offense is better than our defense.

Our offense is more effective at moving the ball and putting points on the board than our defense is at preventing yards and points by the other team.. as evidenced by our statistics and rankings in the league that i provided.

TO's affect field position, but they don't directly affect offensive scoring.. and you've yet to prove that our defense provides our offense with better average starting field position than any other team in the league to this point.

Where does this leave us.. still waiting on information from you to back up your point.

..and i suspect that's where it will stand.

 

[Hoofbite]

The greatest thing Jason Garrett had going for him was the fact that Sean Payton's 18 years (or however long) of previous coaching experience culminated in success after he left Dallas.

 

[khiladi]

Let me make it easy for you once again....
I don't care what your argument is. You were responding to what I stated based upon a false premise that I never stated and you proceeded and continue to proceed with refuting an imaginary argument in your head and as you proceed with the argument you just keep changing your positions....
Now the argument has comically become the position that our team has a best starting position for an offense in the lead... And that field position, while indirectly contributing to scoring, does not directly contribute to scoring... It's just utterly nonsensical the lengths your trying to go...
Keep waffling man..
BTW, this isn't even Garrett calling the plays anymore, but I won't even bother on that point...

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Let me make it easy for you once again....
I don't care what your argument is. You were responding to what I stated based upon a false premise that I never stated and you proceeded and continue to proceed with refuting an imaginary argument in your head and as you proceed with the argument you just keep changing your positions....
Now the argument has comically become the position that our team has a best starting position for an offense in the lead... And that field position, while indirectly contributing to scoring, does not directly contribute to scoring... It's just utterly nonsensical the lengths your trying to go...
Keep waffling man..
BTW, this isn't even Garrett calling the plays anymore, but I won't even bother on that point...

Blah, blah, blah..

"I want to claim that our offense is inept, even though they put up the 4th most points in the league, im just not sure how to do it without anyone noticing i'm full of baloney."

Gotcha.

 

[khiladi]

Blah, blah...

I keep changing my positions to win an argument.. Blah, blah.. We have the worst pass defense in NFL history, because we give up the most yards, but we are 17 in the league in points allowed... But our offense is the greatest, because we are 4th in scoring, but who knows how many yards.. Blah, blah.. I like to contradict myself, because I enjoy waffling trying to shoot down imaginary positions I ascribe to the guy I'm arguing with... Blah, blah

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Blah, blah...

I keep changing my positions to win an argument.. Blah, blah.. We have the worst pass defense in NFL history, because we give up the most yards, but we are 17 in the league in points allowed... But our offense is the greatest, because we are 4th in scoring, but who knows how many yards.. Blah, blah.. I like to contradict myself, because I enjoy waffling trying to shoot down imaginary positions I ascribe to the guy I'm arguing with... Blah, blah

lol

There's no argument going on here.. certainly not one i care about "winning/losing".

8th in yards.. you'd know that if you read anyone's posts but your own.

So your position wasn't that our offense is inept, then?

That we completely suck on offense no matter how hard our D tries to make up for it?

Here's my position.

Our offense needs work and our defense may be approaching "worst of all time" levels.

Glad we understand each other now..

 

[khiladi]

Your still talking and yet don't care? So TOs have no impact on our offense scoring? I can't seem to figure your opinion out, because you keep changing it...

Yeah, our offense is inept, even with a close to fifty point game obscuring it. That Eagles defense was impressive going into the game, wasn't it... Commanders too... Oh, Minnesota was a gem as well.. How did that seven from our defense do, you know, because they obviously gave no impact on what you care about?

 

[khiladi]

Oh yeah, Detroit had a legionary defense as well. What was that secondary ranked? How many TOs did we get in that game? 4, but you can't count those points, because the offense still has to kick FGs...

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Your still talking and yet don't care? So TOs have no impact on our offense scoring? I can't seem to figure your opinion out, because you keep changing it...

lol

Read above where i said "let me clearly state my points for you again".. i guess understanding isn't for everyone.

If you'd like to debate this specific point again.. no.

TO's don't directly impact offensive scoring. They directly impact field position, but the offense still has to move the ball and score the points.

So can TO's affect field position? Yes, of course.

Can TO's have some influence on the amount of points an offense scores? Sometimes.

Do TO's directly impact offensive points scored? Absolutely not.

Which is why its possible to have 2 teams, each force alot of turnovers.. and have one of those teams score alot of points off of good field position resulting from those turnovers, and another team score hardly any points off those turnovers.

Its all dependant on what your offense can do with the oppertunity. Luckily for us, we have an offense that capitalizes on those chances more than not, because most of the time they have to to keep us in the game, because they know the defense is going back out there to let the other team march right down the field for another score.

Any other things we need to clear up here?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Oh yeah, Detroit had a legionary defense as well. What was that secondary ranked? How many TOs did we get in that game? 4, but you can't count those points, because the offense still has to kick FGs...

Huh? lol

Of course any of us could pick and choose which games make our arguments look better or worse.. luckily for us, we have per game averages so that we can see how one particular unit has been doing over the course of the season, so we can eliminate the outlier performances.

 

[khiladi]

Huh? lol

Of course any of us could pick and choose which games make our arguments look better or worse.. luckily for us, we have per game averages so that we can see how one particular unit has been doing over the course of the season, so we can eliminate the outlier performances.

Like your doing in this post... Now you get it? So re-quote my original post and then ask yourself what your attempting to refute....

 

[khiladi]

lol

Read above where i said "let me clearly state my points for you again".. i guess understanding isn't for everyone.

If you'd like to debate this specific point again.. no.

TO's don't directly impact offensive scoring. They directly impact field position, but the offense still has to move the ball and score the points.

So can TO's affect field position? Yes, of course.

Can TO's have some influence on the amount of points an offense scores? Sometimes.

Do TO's directly impact offensive points scored? Absolutely not.

Which is why its possible to have 2 teams, each force alot of turnovers.. and have one of those teams score alot of points off of good field position resulting from those turnovers, and another team score hardly any points off those turnovers.

Its all dependant on what your offense can do with the oppertunity. Luckily for us, we have an offense that capitalizes on those chances more than not, because most of the time they have to to keep us in the game, because they know the defense is going back out there to let the other team march right down the field for another score.

Any other things we need to clear up here?

I know you changed your position, thus my allusion to your constant waffling. I'll let you do it for me...

Re-quote your original post where you admitted TOs impact offensive scoring. No need to write these long thesis of more waffling...

 

[khiladi]

Btw, what does averages have to do with PPG caused by turnovers which you said was irrelevant? Average scoring per game doesn't include this statistic. So now you've brought another irrelevant pint, which contradicts your Spin that TOs only affect field positioning. Why not just say. Kicker still has to kick the field goal...

So this brings us back to the original point.. You really have no idea what your arguing about...

 

[bkeavs]

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/recap-talking-cowboys1-8.250941/page-3#post-4950986

OMG Thats unbelivable

 

[hornitosmonster]

If he never played for the Cowboys he wouldn't be the coach. That simple

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Btw, what does averages have to do with PPG caused by turnovers which you said was irrelevant? Average scoring per game doesn't include this statistic. So now you've brought another irrelevant pint, which contradicts your Spin that TOs only affect field positioning. Why not just say. Kicker still has to kick the field goal..

Which brings me to my final post on this subject.

You know why "PPG caused by turnovers" isn't included in the regular "points per game" statistic?

Because one of them IS a statistic, and the other IS NOT.

lol.. good grief.

PPG caused by turnovers will NEVER be an actual statistic, because of EXACTLY what i've been telling you.

Just because a team forces a turnover, doesn't mean its going to lead to points every time.

So its not directly related to offensive scoring.. hence, why there is no statistic for you to rely on as evidene here.

Ta da.

So on to my simple point.

Our offense has some work to do for sure.

Our defense has MUCH more work to do.

 

[khiladi]

So how many points does yardage translate to?

So now your arguing that TO differential has no bearing on winning a game, because you do realize many people argue that TO differential is key to winning a game, but I guess by your logic, that has no bearing on affecting any scoring whatsoever... Let me guess yet again, it doesn't impact it directly...

Just re-quote your initial post where you admitted that TO does affect scoring... Why you always got to retort with a thesis of waffling...

I especially love your latest brilliant demonstration of negating impact of TOs by law of averages of scoring over the season. Realize how again you contradicted yourself? I don't think you have, but when you do Let me guess, your response...The field goal kicker still has to kick the field goal right?