Let's cut Dez

[Stash]

Meh.

A lot of the times that Dez has supposedly been 'upset' on the sidelines is just media hysteria nonsense looking for a story. Like the Detroit game a few years ago when, if anything, it sounded like he was trying to pump up his teammates. Jason Witten has really taken a liking to him as well.

You haven't seen him screaming at the sidelines multiple times after a catch this year? I certainly have.

Perhaps Dez will see this as a slight and be motivated to prove the team wrong. Either way, he's got too much tread left on the tire to let go at this point. Restructure, draft a legitimate WR that is a deep pass threat and see how it plays out. Going into the draft without an X-Receiver is just relying on luck for it to work out.





YR

Again, you're assuming a restructure is possible and I don't see that as a given at all. If it is? I definitely agree with going that route, and I think everybody would.

 

[Stash]

They certainly can if they want. They have the overall cap space to do it. Plus, they can cut Nelson starting the 2018 cap year and save over $10MM against the cap, with only around $2MM in dead money. After 2018, he's a FA.

Same with Cobb. They can cut him in March 2018, save around $9MM on the cap, with $3MM in dead money. After 2018, he's a free agent.

So at worst, they'd only have to pay all three WRs for one more season.

They can if they want. That's true. We'll just have to wait and see if they want to allocate that much cap to the receiver position.

 

[Sydla]

That money will go fast w/Martin, Lawrence, Hitchens, Irving....etc. Dez just doesn't help the team much. And those here thinking anything will improve much w/Dez or with Dak-Dez at this point are dreaming.

Hitchens should not be a major cap hit. If they overpay for him, I will break stuff.

They don't have to resign Martin this offseason. He's under contract for 2018. Irving can be tendered for like $4MM.

Lawrence is the only guy that we have to make a choice to pay big money to or not this offseason - either in a long term deal or a tag.

 

[Sydla]

They can if they want. That's true. We'll just have to wait and see if they want to allocate that much cap to the receiver position.

Again, they'd only have to allocate that much cap space to WRs for one season. Cobb and Nelson are FAs after the 2018 season. They can also be cut in March for big cap savings if GB wants to do that.

It's not like they'd be on the hook for three more years paying all those guys big WR contracts.

 

[The Natural]

Great teammate but, he held out to get his money from Jerry and no way he is going to give some of it back. He has lots of mouths to feed you know. Besides, he's starting to slow down like Witten did. Time to cut bait and reload.

you didnt answer the question

 

[Risen Star]

Simplistic review of my thoughts.

Nowhere did I say they shouldn't look to improve the WRs this offseason. My point was it's silly to say just cut Bryant and we'll find our new #1 in this draft for sure......... a draft that isn't very strong in WRs this year.

It's silly to think if a rookie isn't a legit 1 his first year he'll never be.

Bryant isn't a 1 now so we're not losing one in the process.

 

[The Natural]

It's silly to think if a rookie isn't a legit 1 his first year he'll never be.

Bryant isn't a 1 now so we're not losing one in the process.

He is a 1, look at the numbers on our team and stop parroting this dumb ****.

 

[jwooten15]

Why should he? Look at how much the eagles just paid Alshon Jefferey.
There isn’t a team in this league that would take Alshon Jefferey over Dez Bryant.

Who are we using this salary cap space on? You know we don’t participate in free agency because it’s paying good players like they are great players.

Look at how much the browns paid Kenny Britt a season ago because he was a free agent.

Well then let other teams overpay for WR. We don't need to.

With our offense, there's no need to allocate that amount of $$ to a WR. By your post, it seems that since the funds are there, there's no use in NOT paying it to Dez.

With Dak at QB, we need more shifty, speed guys who can create space. Dez doesn't possess either attribute.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You haven't seen him screaming at the sidelines multiple times after a catch this year? I certainly have.

Just like he was screaming on the sidelines of that Lions game and Brian Billick was making a big deal about it and it was nothing?

I tend to take Jason Witten's statements than somebody seeing Dez appearing to be yelling on the sidelines:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/11/dallas-cowboys-score-steelers-jason-witten-dez-bryant




YR

 

[Stash]

They traded a #1 pick for Brandon Cooks this past offseason.

And what are they paying him? $8.5 million option for 2018. I'm not sure of the last wide receiver New England has paid big money to so you'd have to let me know

 

[Sydla]

It's silly to think if a rookie isn't a legit 1 his first year he'll never be.

Bryant isn't a 1 now so we're not losing one in the process.

This is a weak WR draft. There is no Jones or Green type in this draft unless you get lucky. It isn't about being a #1 right away. It's about the fact that there isn't any WR in this draft that people point to that can definitely be a dominant WR. If this were a loaded WR draft, sure.

 

[Sydla]

And what are they paying him? $8.5 million option for 2018. I'm not sure of the last wide receiver New England has paid big money to so you'd have to let me know

They tagged Welker in the past paying him top WR money at that time. I suspect they may do that with Cooks too. They seem to love those one year, big money deals. Although they did pay a big deal to Gilmore at CB. So who knows.

 

[Stash]

I pretty much agree with you. Make him a june 1st cut along with Witten and reload.

If he refuses to take any paycut, you have to consider it.

 

[superonyx]

Well then let other teams overpay for WR. We don't need to.

With our offense, there's no need to allocate that amount of $$ to a WR. By your post, it seems that since the funds are there, there's no use in NOT paying it to Dez.

With Dak at QB, we need more shifty, speed guys who can create space. Dez doesn't possess either attribute.

I get what you are saying.. but with this coaching staff I don’t see a change to our scheme to take advantage of shifty guys. Look at Cole Beasley and Ryan Switzer. I think we all had visions of NE with their group of shifty WRs before the season started. How many catches do these guys have combined?

 

[Stash]

D) Get a new coaching staff

Hee, hee.

Sold!


But I fully expect these clowns to do just enough to save their own skin while accomplishing nothing more than a worse draft pick.

If they win out, I'll be the first guy to apologize for it.

 

[Stash]

Again, they'd only have to allocate that much cap space to WRs for one season. Cobb and Nelson are FAs after the 2018 season. They can also be cut in March for big cap savings if GB wants to do that.

It's not like they'd be on the hook for three more years paying all those guys big WR contracts.

Understood.

And I fully expect them to cut Cobb. He hasn't been what they had hoped or what they paid him to be.

 

[Stash]

Just like he was screaming on the sidelines of that Lions game and Brian Billick was making a big deal about it and it was nothing?

I tend to take Jason Witten's statements than somebody seeing Dez appearing to be yelling on the sidelines:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/11/dallas-cowboys-score-steelers-jason-witten-dez-bryant




YR

I did say this year.

 

[risco]

So your argument is that you won't have a #1 receiver? We don't have one now.

Well we do have a #1 receiver and it is Dez; however; the Cowboys offense does not feature him as a number 1. Plus, the offensive WR routes are basic for Dez. He very rarely run slants or other exotic routes. Dez routes with the Cowboys are very basic. If he goes to another team with a pass friendly offense, I suspect he will be considered a #1.

 

[Nightman]

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.

My plan is to treat Dez like the lifer he is...... but it requires his cooperation

He has 2- 12.5m team options left on his deal but 0m is guaranteed....... I would extend him to lower his pay and cap hit but increase his guaranteed monies to 25m

We would add 3 yr/25m to his deal to make it 5/50 in total with 25m gtd with a 15m signing bonus
This would lower his cap hit for 2018 from 16.5m to 10m with a 3m base salary

His cap hits would be 10m, 11m, 11m, 12m, 14m....... really a 3 yr extension(2018-20) for 30m

He would not be our WR1 and he wouldn't be paid like one...... he could move routes inside and become a possession receiver, taking many of the Witten routes and adding speed and YAC to those routes

 

[jwooten15]

I get what you are saying.. but with this coaching staff I don’t see a change to our scheme to take advantage of shifty guys. Look at Cole Beasley and Ryan Switzer. I think we all had visions of NE with their group of shifty WRs before the season started. How many catches do these guys have combined?

Good point there. Reality is a much different picture than we envisioned in the off-season.

With our archaic coaching philosophies, it doesn't matter what personnel we have, nothing will change.