Let's cut Dez

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theebs said:
The local radio stations will not stop talking about how bad the wr are and how beasley needs to be benched and dez released.

Cowboys break keeps saying the same thing, get rid of Dez.

I dont get it, Yes he is being paid for previous accomplishments but that does not mean he has to be released.

the more accurate the qb gets and the more time he has the better all the wr will get.

Butler will be gone at the end of the year and they can draft someone to join the other 4 next year all this release stuff sounds crazy to me.
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I don't think it's option A, or obviously the preferred way to go, but I think that something has to be done about the contract and all options have to be considered.
 
Sydla said:
And maybe that's where we disagree. Ridley to me is a good #2. A better version of say Will Fuller, but he's not an AJ Green, Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald in his prime two WR.

Plus, I suspect in a weak WR draft, he's going to get overvalued and get picked before we even draft.
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He's going to go in the top 15 because teams agree with me and think he's a 1 in the league. He'll walk into the NFL a better route runner than Dez Bryant has ever been.

You keep painting this scenario that if we get rid of Dez Bryant we have to replace a #1 WR. No, we don't. We have to replace Dez Bryant. A marginally productive jump ball target who is getting older and figures to be even less productive in the future.
 
IF we were do go without Dez, I would want to get something in return for him in a trade, for example, a draft pick. That's a big IF though. If we don't go with Dez anymore, than who would be our speedy wideout? I remember some teams from the 80s who could not stretch the field. I think in about '85 Mike Renfro was our most productive receiver. We were hurting for a premium receiver and then drafted Mike Sherrard who didn't work out. You need someone who can stretch a defense.
 
The problem is with Garrett. His 90s style offense is whats holding back this team. The offense is predicated in long routes and having the QB stay in the pocket longer than 10 seconds.

If we are to move forward in improve this team, we need to get rid of Garrett and his playbook. Get and OC that runs rub routes and gets the ball out quickly. New England has been doing it for years and has worked. Sure people say its Tom Brady and that he's the GOAT. But that offense runs on cheap oline and cheap receivers. Brady thrives because they adapted a system for him. We should do that for Dak as well.
 
Sydla said:
It seems to be a suggestion/plan that keeps gaining steam with some around here. I don't get it but let's explore it.

For starters, let's look at the cap implications. If you cut him in the 2018 league year, you take an $8MM dead cap hit but save $8.5MM. If you make him a June 1 designee, that's $4MM in dead money and $12.5MM in cap savings. More than likely, they would want the cap savings immediately because they will have holes to fill in FA.

Now let's look at roster implications.

Bryant is gone. Who is your #1 WR? The answer seems to be "Oh, just draft your new #1". This logic is folly on a few levels. For one, few WRs come in and immediately plant their flag as a legit #1 WR. Second, this isn't a strong draft in terms of WRs to begin with. There is no Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant type in this draft.

Oh, maybe we can just sign a FA WR. OK...... here are the Top 3 WRs in free agency - Pryor, Wallace and Watkins. Any of those three strike you as legit #1s? Maybe Pryor with his upside but he's going to cost you and eat up whatever cap savings you had with cutting Bryant. And are you really better off with Pryor over Bryant? This might work IF you could get Pryor on a one year deal like Washington has. Little risk in that if he doesn't improve you have no long term implications but I am not sure he makes you better than if you had Bryant.

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.
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I suspect the Cut Dez movement will have as much success as the cut Carr movement did.
 
Jake said:
Let's see, the Cowboys are 25th in passing offense with Dez making big money as their "#1 receiver" so at most we drop 7 places in passing offense without him. Now let's look at some of the top ten teams:

New England, Pittsburgh, Chargers, Detroit, Chiefs, Rams, Seahawks, Vikings - where are all of those "#1 receivers"? Pittsburgh's best is a little guy taken in the 6th round. Adam Thielen? Chris Hogan? Tyreek Hill? Golden tate?

You're operating from a flawed premise, leading to a flawed conclusion. Spending a boatload on a big, physical receiver isn't necessary in 2017, unless your coaching staff is intent on running a 1990s offense.
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Its not just the talent or lack thereof, it's also the $$ that could go towards other promising players we'll need to keep. I appreciate Dez's heart and he has a special ability to grab the ball in and around the redzone coverages. However he's inconsistent on his routes and catching easy passes. Could he be used in better circumstance outside the redzone? Probably but there's a lot of talent out there for a lot less $$ per the above comments. Just sayin
 
Sydla said:
It seems to be a suggestion/plan that keeps gaining steam with some around here. I don't get it but let's explore it.

For starters, let's look at the cap implications. If you cut him in the 2018 league year, you take an $8MM dead cap hit but save $8.5MM. If you make him a June 1 designee, that's $4MM in dead money and $12.5MM in cap savings. More than likely, they would want the cap savings immediately because they will have holes to fill in FA.

Now let's look at roster implications.

Bryant is gone. Who is your #1 WR? The answer seems to be "Oh, just draft your new #1". This logic is folly on a few levels. For one, few WRs come in and immediately plant their flag as a legit #1 WR. Second, this isn't a strong draft in terms of WRs to begin with. There is no Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant type in this draft.

Oh, maybe we can just sign a FA WR. OK...... here are the Top 3 WRs in free agency - Pryor, Wallace and Watkins. Any of those three strike you as legit #1s? Maybe Pryor with his upside but he's going to cost you and eat up whatever cap savings you had with cutting Bryant. And are you really better off with Pryor over Bryant? This might work IF you could get Pryor on a one year deal like Washington has. Little risk in that if he doesn't improve you have no long term implications but I am not sure he makes you better than if you had Bryant.

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.
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BYE MAYNE!
 
Sydla said:
It seems to be a suggestion/plan that keeps gaining steam with some around here. I don't get it but let's explore it.

For starters, let's look at the cap implications. If you cut him in the 2018 league year, you take an $8MM dead cap hit but save $8.5MM. If you make him a June 1 designee, that's $4MM in dead money and $12.5MM in cap savings. More than likely, they would want the cap savings immediately because they will have holes to fill in FA.

Now let's look at roster implications.

Bryant is gone. Who is your #1 WR? The answer seems to be "Oh, just draft your new #1". This logic is folly on a few levels. For one, few WRs come in and immediately plant their flag as a legit #1 WR. Second, this isn't a strong draft in terms of WRs to begin with. There is no Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant type in this draft.

Oh, maybe we can just sign a FA WR. OK...... here are the Top 3 WRs in free agency - Pryor, Wallace and Watkins. Any of those three strike you as legit #1s? Maybe Pryor with his upside but he's going to cost you and eat up whatever cap savings you had with cutting Bryant. And are you really better off with Pryor over Bryant? This might work IF you could get Pryor on a one year deal like Washington has. Little risk in that if he doesn't improve you have no long term implications but I am not sure he makes you better than if you had Bryant.

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.
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Dez Bryant isn't your number one receiver now. He is just paid like one. There is already a black hole on the field wearing #88, when Dez is on the field. Beasley is the #1 receiver on the team which is why the opposing team is focused on taking that away.

If we weren't forcing the ball to Bryant he would have half the pitiful stats he has now and they would be talking about his melt down on every sports talk show in America.
 
erod said:
So in other words, it was really stupid to give Dez that big contract.
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Yes. That's a true statement. Anyone who doesn't believe that with the benefit of hindsight isn't being objective.
 
JackOfNoTrades said:
if making Dez a June 1 cut in fact translates to $12.5M in cap savings and only $4M in dead cap, I'm sorry (ban or ignore me) but he has to go or his contract MUST be renegotiated.
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I'm no capologist, but I think the amount of cap savings is constant, but the timing of the savings changes. Others can elaborate on this better than me.
 
erod said:
The guy hasn't had a 100-yard game in 20 consecutive games.

How much of that is his regression? How much of it is the inability of the rest of the WRs? How much of it is his lack of chemistry with Dak? How much of it is Linehan, or the unwillingness for the QB to go downfield?

It's a mixture of all that, I think.

You don't cut Dez. But he's wildly overpaid, and that money could better be spent. Problem is, cutting him brings it all due.

Perhaps an extension at a lower rate. More security in exchange for a more palatable dollar amount.
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Extend Dez? Oh my, that's a horrible idea.
 
T-RO said:
We wouldn't need a great receiver to replace Dez's production per attempt. He's not even played like a top-20 receiver. The team's offense was outstanding in his absence last season.

Maybe there isn't a top-5 receiver in the draft, FA or via trade. That's fine. Don't over-draft one.

Add a couple of viable threats...get a top tight end, a receiver or two later in the draft
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Agreed. If Witten wasn't so bad having Dez around would be slightly less maddening.
 
Verdict said:
I'm no capologist, but I think the amount of cap savings is constant, but the timing of the savings changes. Others can elaborate on this better than me.
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I believe this is accurate..........

If the Cowboys cut Bryant at the start of the league year in 2018, they get $8.5MM in cap savings immediately with $8.0MM in dead money immediately. If they designate him a June 1 cut, he would save $12.5MM against the cap in 2018 with a $4.0MM dead money hit but then you'd also have to take a $4.0MM dead money hit in 2019 as well.
 
CyberB0b said:
He had 1 great play. Probably the only one of the season. Let's not act like he was a force out there. He is getting the highest base salary of any wide receiver in the league. We can all agree that his production doesn't match the resources allocated to him.

IF they were true drops? IF? One of the balls hit him in the face! How is that not a true drop?
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The Dez Fan Bois never believe Dez does anything wrong. He is above criticism. Everything is someone else fault. B
 
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