Let's cut Dez

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jwooten15 said:
Exactly my thought. Pay Prior or Watkins half of what you were going to pay Dez, and we would get the same production - plus, also be able to sign another player or two with that cap space.
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LOL. You realize Pryor started the year as the Commanders #1 WR, and is now relegated to #4/5? The guy is garbage. Do you also realize that Watkins had missed 23% of the games he's been in the NFL prior to this year?

You are also assuming these guys and ANOTHER guy would automagically sign with us. smh......
 
ajk23az said:
LOL. You realize Pryor started the year as the Commanders #1 WR, and is now relegated to #4/5? The guy is garbage. Do you also realize that Watkins had missed 23% of the games he's been in the NFL prior to this year?

You are also assuming these guys and ANOTHER guy would automagically sign with us. smh......
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I see we have another Dez apologist here :clap:If you don't think either of those guys could have 55-60 catches, 800 yards and 7 touchdowns, then you're delusional. Because that is what Dez had averaged the last two seasons.

For proper perspective, in 2016:
-there were 67 WR with more than 55 catches
-there were 49 WR with more than 800 yards
-there were 16 WR with more than 7 TD

In other words, even if it wasn't Pryor or Watkins, PLENTY of guys can fill the statistical shoes of Dez Bryant.
 
His contract needs to be restructured but I want Dez to continue to wear the star. I think if we can get him a better #2 that he will thrive. It's long been speculated that Dez and Terrance aren't very complimentary of each other, and would fare better with other receivers.
 
Jake said:
Let's see, the Cowboys are 25th in passing offense with Dez making big money as their "#1 receiver" so at most we drop 7 places in passing offense without him. Now let's look at some of the top ten teams:

New England, Pittsburgh, Chargers, Detroit, Chiefs, Rams, Seahawks, Vikings - where are all of those "#1 receivers"? Pittsburgh's best is a little guy taken in the 6th round. Adam Thielen? Chris Hogan? Tyreek Hill? Golden tate?

You're operating from a flawed premise, leading to a flawed conclusion. Spending a boatload on a big, physical receiver isn't necessary in 2017, unless your coaching staff is intent on running a 1990s offense.
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The disrespect for what AB has become is ridiculous.
 
Leadbelly said:
Baloney. Boldin was a body position brute who ran a limited route tree mostly within 15 yards of scrimmage, created zero separation, racked up yards after the catch from slinging off smaller CBs and took three guys to bring him down. His game was the same routes as Dez is running now. If you think he was a tactician, you don't know what a tactician looks like.

The only marginal difference is Boldin caught a slightly higher percentage of his targets over his career and that's mostly because he played as a #2/#3 later in his career and played closer to the QB.
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I have been comparing Dez to Boldin the last couple years...... he used his athleticism to stay relevant as LB mismatch over the middle for years as a possession WR

He single handily got Flacco thru their last SB run...... Flacco would throw the ball up for grabs and Boldin would get it........sounds just like Dez...... we just have to get Dez off the sideline go routes

I have noticed that the Dezerters have moved on from the immatuirty arguments to the route running arguments..... he is running the routes the same as when he averaged 90/1300/14
 
ajk23az said:
LOL. You realize Pryor started the year as the Commanders #1 WR, and is now relegated to #4/5? The guy is garbage. Do you also realize that Watkins had missed 23% of the games he's been in the NFL prior to this year?

You are also assuming these guys and ANOTHER guy would automagically sign with us. smh......
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People don't understand that money paid in FA doesn't represent their worth or porduction...... it is what it takes to sign the player..... not all signings are in a vacuum...... different factors come into play for different players
 
Sydla said:
It seems to be a suggestion/plan that keeps gaining steam with some around here. I don't get it but let's explore it.

For starters, let's look at the cap implications. If you cut him in the 2018 league year, you take an $8MM dead cap hit but save $8.5MM. If you make him a June 1 designee, that's $4MM in dead money and $12.5MM in cap savings. More than likely, they would want the cap savings immediately because they will have holes to fill in FA.

Now let's look at roster implications.

Bryant is gone. Who is your #1 WR? The answer seems to be "Oh, just draft your new #1". This logic is folly on a few levels. For one, few WRs come in and immediately plant their flag as a legit #1 WR. Second, this isn't a strong draft in terms of WRs to begin with. There is no Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant type in this draft.

Oh, maybe we can just sign a FA WR. OK...... here are the Top 3 WRs in free agency - Pryor, Wallace and Watkins. Any of those three strike you as legit #1s? Maybe Pryor with his upside but he's going to cost you and eat up whatever cap savings you had with cutting Bryant. And are you really better off with Pryor over Bryant? This might work IF you could get Pryor on a one year deal like Washington has. Little risk in that if he doesn't improve you have no long term implications but I am not sure he makes you better than if you had Bryant.

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.
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For me the plan would be to start looking to the draft to groom your future #1. Bryant has two years left on his deal after this season. It gives you really two drafts to find a guy with #1 WR talent and gives you the time to develope them before Dez's contract isnup
 
Why cut when you could get atleast lower mid round pick for for him?..........uh never mind, it just came to me that we have the worst trading GM in the NFL..............I don't think even a real GM could get more than that mainly due to his ridiculous contract that was, incidently given by our esteemed GM.
 
We might 'save' some money cutting Dez, but with the new Jones at the helm, whose to say we actually spend that money or actually get anyone decent in replacement? If this past offseason was any example of what we will do with 'savings', I'd just rather keep Dez.
 
Maybe I'm taking this too literally, but I don't quite get the argument that Dez isn't a #1 WR.

As we speak, Dez is 18th in the league in receiving TDs, 21st in receptions and 28th in receiving yards. Let's average those numbers and say that so far he has been the 22nd best WR in the league this year. There are 32 teams in the league, theoretically each with a #1 WR. So while Dez certainly hasn't been a Pro Bowl player this year, he statistically is a "#1 WR", unless you are using a different definition of the term.

The problem is that Dez is getting paid as the 6th best WR in football, and he has signifigantly underperformed that contract. He has to own that, and I don't have a solution better than you guys have mentioned. I will say after the slew of drops we had at the beginning of last week's game (and all year) I was starting to wonder why Derek Dooley hasn't gotten a bit more heat as the WR coach.
 
I’m pretty much 75% on the move on from dez bandwagon, but not for Pryor. He is a downfield threat, not a move the chains guy we need. I want a high percentage receiver. This fits in tandem with our run game. Dez is good, but there just seem to be to much forcing him the ball to work in a run heavy system. No wasted downs works best with dak and zeke. If Beasley hadn’t disappeared..
 
Sydla said:
It seems to be a suggestion/plan that keeps gaining steam with some around here. I don't get it but let's explore it.

For starters, let's look at the cap implications. If you cut him in the 2018 league year, you take an $8MM dead cap hit but save $8.5MM. If you make him a June 1 designee, that's $4MM in dead money and $12.5MM in cap savings. More than likely, they would want the cap savings immediately because they will have holes to fill in FA.

Now let's look at roster implications.

Bryant is gone. Who is your #1 WR? The answer seems to be "Oh, just draft your new #1". This logic is folly on a few levels. For one, few WRs come in and immediately plant their flag as a legit #1 WR. Second, this isn't a strong draft in terms of WRs to begin with. There is no Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant type in this draft.

Oh, maybe we can just sign a FA WR. OK...... here are the Top 3 WRs in free agency - Pryor, Wallace and Watkins. Any of those three strike you as legit #1s? Maybe Pryor with his upside but he's going to cost you and eat up whatever cap savings you had with cutting Bryant. And are you really better off with Pryor over Bryant? This might work IF you could get Pryor on a one year deal like Washington has. Little risk in that if he doesn't improve you have no long term implications but I am not sure he makes you better than if you had Bryant.

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.
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Cutting Dez would be dumb. Why would we get rid of our best WR? You get rid of Dez and you turn a mediocre WR core into a poor one.
 
jwooten15 said:
I see we have another Dez apologist here :clap:If you don't think either of those guys could have 55-60 catches, 800 yards and 7 touchdowns, then you're delusional. Because that is what Dez had averaged the last two seasons.

For proper perspective, in 2016:
-there were 67 WR with more than 55 catches
-there were 49 WR with more than 800 yards
-there were 16 WR with more than 7 TD

In other words, even if it wasn't Pryor or Watkins, PLENTY of guys can fill the statistical shoes of Dez Bryant.
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That's simply inaccurate to the point of painful to read.
First off it isn't 2016 anymore.
In 2017 i.e. RIGHT NOW there are 20 PLAYERS with more receptions than Dez. BUT only 14 WRs.
In 2016 coming off injury and missing a couple games he finished tied for 62nd in receptions AMONGST ALL PLAYERS. ~40th among WRs.

In 2017 Dez has 6 TD receptions which ties for 18th amongst all players. Ony 12 WRs have more and 5 of those 12 have 1 more receiving TD.
In 2016 he finished tied for 5th in TD receptions with 10. FIFTH.

You really averaged a partial season with a full season?
LOL.
How bad does your agenda or argument have to be to stoop to that nonsense??

Dez is on pace in 2017 for:
75 receptions
7.5 Receiving TDs
857 receiving yards.
 
the_h0wey said:
Cutting Dez would be dumb. Why would we get rid of our best WR? You get rid of Dez and you turn a mediocre WR core into a poor one.
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You replace from the bottom up, not the top down.....replace Butler or Brown or Switzer or TWill

It is the same with BJones and TCrawford....... replace other scrubs first.....invite competition at the top
 
Passes thrown 20+ yards in the air. This is where Dak-to-Dez has been the biggest concern, whoever is to blame. On 20+yard throws, Prescott's 112.0 passer rating ranks 4th in the NFL, despite a 15.1 rating when throwing to Bryant.

20+yard targets
Bryant
15 targets, 4 catchable, 2 drops
everyone else
17 targets, 11 catchable, 1 drop

20+yard targets
passer rating
Bryant
2 of 15 57 yd 0 td 1 int 15.1
everyone else
10 of 17 343 yd 4 td 0 int 142.7
 
No one wants to point to the fact that Daks inexperience is what's hindering this receiving core, how's Beasley, Wittens and Twills numbers this year?
 
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