Lets say Wade gets the ax... which would you want?

[theogt]

where did this come from, that garrett was who wanted to bring in capers?

I have never heard that before this thread...

I doubt it was every reported with certainty -- I think most people assumed Garrett was behind it at the time, given they had both just been with the same team and Garrett was still the golden child.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

where did this come from, that garrett was who wanted to bring in capers?

I have never heard that before this thread...

Me either. This is new news to me. Interesting to say the least though cause if thats true that is pretty much Garrett going around the HC to try and bring in his own guy cause he didn't like the guy who the HC had.

 

[Four]

brad johnson helped get brooks bolinger in here.

people know people in the league, all over the league. I have gotten buddies jobs before, it doesn't mean I went around my boss or coworkers.

That's a pretty ridiculous assumption, I shoulda known it was just some BS excuse to bash.

 

[theogt]

brad johnson helped get brooks bolinger in here.

people know people in the league, all over the league. I have gotten buddies jobs before, it doesn't mean I went around my boss or coworkers.

That's a pretty ridiculous assumption, I shoulda known it was just some BS excuse to bash.

Ironically, at the time it was used to bash Wade, not Garrett.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yes, he was wrong, if he was in fact behind it. There was no way of knowing how Stewart would handle play calling. He hadn't done it the year before, but the offensive coordinator shouldn't stick his head into that situation unless he's a spoiled brat kid (to keep with the analogy) to begin with. And obviously, if Garrett had enough time to focus that closely on the defense, he might should have spent more time fixing his own playcalling problems.

Thankfully, Wade recognized it was a problem sooner rather than later and it was remedied.

That the team would consider it suggests that Garrett wasn't the only one with concerns there. Of course we don't know if Garrett was behind it -- I expect there was some connect the dots going on as Garrett had mentioned Capers several times in interviews with other clubs.

Come to think of it, this smells a bit more like Jerry's deal. He did after all look for oversight this year on the offensive end too, so it isn't like he's opposed to having "back up" coordinators.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

brad johnson helped get brooks bolinger in here.

people know people in the league, all over the league. I have gotten buddies jobs before, it doesn't mean I went around my boss or coworkers.

That's a pretty ridiculous assumption, I shoulda known it was just some BS excuse to bash.

Um, what?

 

[Stash]

That the team would consider it suggests that Garrett wasn't the only one with concerns there. Of course we don't know if Garrett was behind it -- I expect there was some connect the dots going on as Garrett had mentioned Capers several times in interviews with other clubs.

Come to think of it, this smells a bit more like Jerry's deal. He did after all look for oversight this year on the offensive end too, so it isn't like he's opposed to having "back up" coordinators.

That sounds like a very plausible explanation for it.

I mean they almost hired Dan Reeves to help out on the offensive side, so why wouldn't they have considered it for the defense?

 

[theogt]

That the team would consider it suggests that Garrett wasn't the only one with concerns there. Of course we don't know if Garrett was behind it -- I expect there was some connect the dots going on as Garrett had mentioned Capers several times in interviews with other clubs.

Come to think of it, this smells a bit more like Jerry's deal. He did after all look for oversight this year on the offensive end too, so it isn't like he's opposed to having "back up" coordinators.

I can't imagine there are too many GMs that would be opposed to having experienced coordinators come in and man position coach spots. Or to just hang out and advise/be a brain to pick. The problem more often, I think, would be finding an experienced coordinator to actually take such a position in a cost effective manner.

 

[iceberg]

Lets assume Wade gets fired after this year and Garrett leaves after this year. Out of these available head coaches, who would you want?

Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Jon Gruden
Mike Holmgren
Brian Billick

Holmgren would be the perfect fit here in my opinion. He's already on great terms with Jerry and he's a coach that demands respect. Coach Holmgren would also keep Romo in check with the turnovers and bone-head plays. Just look at old clips with Holmgren and Favre; we need that type of leader in the head coach. The main reason why Holmgren would be perfect here; He's not just a coach, but also a teacher.

am i the only one who likes to get through a season, hell even mini camp, before we start worrying about next year? it seems some people just want to make moves but never have fun watching the game.

 

[Four]

Um, what?

read slowly, because it was pretty clear.

friends get friends jobs all the time, people who worked together help each other out from time to time.

turning it into some conspiracy theory garbage is just that, garbage.

 

[theogt]

turning it into some conspiracy theory garbage is just that, garbage.

Hey now, that's what we do here at CowboysZone. It's a time honored tradition. And if you don't like it, well, then just complain about it -- another time honored tradition.

 

[BAT]

I gotta laugh at those who think Capers is overrated, especially when he is head and shoulders above anyone currently on the Cowboys staff, not named Wade Phillips. And this is a staff that has a few former HCs & DCs on defense.


The overrated 3-4 guy is Mike Nolan. The guy just flat out sucks.


And for those who keep dreaming about Cowher, you should listen to some of his former players. They talk about him like he's a raving ranting idiot, never mind lunatic. I was even surprised how much of it they aired on America's Game.

 

[Doomsday101]

am i the only one who likes to get through a season, hell even mini camp, before we start worrying about next year? it seems some people just want to make moves but never have fun watching the game.

I'm with you, only thing I'm looking forward to right now is the 2009 season which seems to fly by quickly. Football season is short enough enjoy it while it last. After the season is over then I'll turn my attention to 2010 and what the team should do in my opinion.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

read slowly, because it was pretty clear.

friends get friends jobs all the time, people who worked together help each other out from time to time.

turning it into some conspiracy theory garbage is just that, garbage.

A young, inexperienced, golden boy coordinator trying to get "help" for a 30-year NFL veteran coach who has gotten superior results to the guy being brought in isn't the same as you getting your buddy a job. It's one of those many pro sports situations that isn't really comparable to everyday life.

 

[AbeBeta]

I can't imagine there are too many GMs that would be opposed to having experienced coordinators come in and man position coach spots. Or to just hang out and advise/be a brain to pick. The problem more often, I think, would be finding an experienced coordinator to actually take such a position in a cost effective manner.

Ok, by the same token, I can't imagine there would be many offensive coordinators who would try to dictate who the GM hired in this capacity on the other side of the ball.

As far as the being opposed to having experienced coordinators, Dave Campo Todd Grantham, and Ray Sherman are saying "what you talking 'bout Theo?" - oh wait, I take it back. You can find them in a cost-effective manner, provided they suck

 

[bysbox1]

when parcells was here he was too rough, now wade is too soft, and you guys want someone to come in and be tough again.

it's like I am on a merry-go-round

Speaking for myself, I never really wanted Parcells to leave.

This team was built for Parcell's type coaching. And I would have rather had him stay here and have one of "his" coaches take over; either Haley, Pasqualoni, or Sparano. But that's water under the bridge.

I am not sold on Garrett at all, and I don't think Cowher would come here unless he has full control over football operations. So I would rather see Holmgren or Shanahan. The only problem is the offensive switch to WCO and how long it will take for our offense to become acclimated to it.

 

[Four]

A young, inexperienced, golden boy coordinator trying to get "help" for a 30-year NFL veteran coach who has gotten superior results to the guy being brought in isn't the same as you getting your buddy a job. It's one of those many pro sports situations that isn't really comparable to everyday life.

no it isn't, you are really reaching, and putting some connotation on it that is solely in your head.

number one, prove garrett pushed for capers.

number two, explain to me how it is any different than getting a friend a job?

It was brian stewart who needed help, not wade, so that part of your little theory stinks right there.

 

[Silverstar]

Gruden...still young and aggressive with a winning record of 100-81-0 as a HC. He turns 47 in 2010 with a SB ring and a 5-4 playoff record, despite having some mediocre QB's to guide his teams. I think Gruden can be very successful with Romo as his QB. Gruden has been there and done that, unlike Garrett who's just 3 years younger and has accomplished nothing as a coach.


FWIW

 

[Jenky]

Gruden...still young and aggressive with a winning record of 100-81-0 as a HC. He turns 47 in 2010 with a SB ring and a 5-4 playoff record, despite having some mediocre QB's to guide his teams. I think Gruden can be very succesful in Dallas with Romo as his QB. Gruden has been there and done that, unlike Garrett who's just 3 years younger and has accomplished nothing as a coach.


FWIW

That's a good pick too. Forgot about him.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

no it isn't, you are really reaching, and putting some connotation on it that is solely in your head.

number one, prove garrett pushed for capers.

number two, explain to me how it is any different than getting a friend a job?

It was brian stewart who needed help, not wade, so that part of your little theory stinks right there.

Do you even remember the scenario as it happened?