Let's talk about receiver acquisition

Would rather pay a #1 RB. Even with the injury risk. Receivers by and large are a dime a dozen
good rb's get the ball 25 times a game. can't think of many wr's who are thrown to 25 times a game. third and one, critical stage of the game, i'd rather hand off to zeke than throw to a wr. rb's give you control of the clock. wr's are there to get quick yards.
 
Yes he was. Barkley was a top 2 pick. Elliott a 4. The importance of the RB position is becoming obvious. Do u want to pay a guy a ton to touch the ball 5 times or 25 times. I know who I want to make sure is elite. The guy who totes it 25 times.

I added some info to my previous post that fits with this.
 
Hurns was a 1000 yard receiver and we obtained himfairky cheaply. Wouldn't this be better for out cap and better for the team as a whole?

We got Hurns "cheaply" because his only 1000 yard season was 2015. The last two seasons he didn't have 1000 yards, combined.
 
Yes he was. Barkley was a top 2 pick. Elliott a 4. The importance of the RB position is becoming obvious. Do u want to pay a guy a ton to touch the ball 5 times or 25 times. I know who I want to make sure is elite. The guy who totes it 25 times.

If both Zeke and Barkley are gone in 5-6 years, we'll be right back where we were with the RB position. Teams are starting to forget why RBs started to become devalued. The reason being, they simply do not last long enough to justify that high of a pick. This is still a passing league, it will stay a passing league due to rules against the defense.

Neither the WR or the RB position are worth the money they get - look at the history of the teams that won the Super Bowl the past 10 years. Some had no name RBs and very few had top flight WRs. What you can look to see what those teams had were 1. Great QBs 2. Great defensive lines/secondaries

It's unbelievable to me that a player like Julio Jones is so touted, but he disappears every other week. Going from 150 yard game to a 2 catch for 20 yards is inconsistent production, not to mention, he's never been a red zone threat. It's even more ridiculous that RBs with a shelf life of about 5-6 quality years (if that) are taken in the top 5 of a draft and still get massive contracts.
 
We got Hurns "cheaply" because his only 1000 yard season was 2015. The last two seasons he didn't have 1000 yards, combined.

Yeah. I know. I'm asking about a philosophy.
 
If both Zeke and Barkley are gone in 5-6 years, we'll be right back where we were with the RB position. Teams are starting to forget why RBs started to become devalued. The reason being, they simply do not last long enough to justify that high of a pick. This is still a passing league, it will stay a passing league due to rules against the defense.

Neither the WR or the RB position are worth the money they get - look at the history of the teams that won the Super Bowl the past 10 years. Some had no name RBs and very few had top flight WRs. What you can look to see what those teams had were 1. Great QBs 2. Great defensive lines/secondaries

It's unbelievable to me that a player like Julio Jones is so touted, but he disappears every other week. Going from 150 yard game to a 2 catch for 20 yards is inconsistent production, not to mention, he's never been a red zone threat. It's even more ridiculous that RBs with a shelf life of about 5-6 quality years (if that) are taken in the top 5 of a draft and still get massive contracts.

Zeke may get us a championship. Would he be worth a top 4 pick in that instance?
 
If both Zeke and Barkley are gone in 5-6 years, we'll be right back where we were with the RB position. Teams are starting to forget why RBs started to become devalued. The reason being, they simply do not last long enough to justify that high of a pick. This is still a passing league, it will stay a passing league due to rules against the defense.

Neither the WR or the RB position are worth the money they get - look at the history of the teams that won the Super Bowl the past 10 years. Some had no name RBs and very few had top flight WRs. What you can look to see what those teams had were 1. Great QBs 2. Great defensive lines/secondaries

It's unbelievable to me that a player like Julio Jones is so touted, but he disappears every other week. Going from 150 yard game to a 2 catch for 20 yards is inconsistent production, not to mention, he's never been a red zone threat. It's even more ridiculous that RBs with a shelf life of about 5-6 quality years (if that) are taken in the top 5 of a draft and still get massive contracts.

We would have been better off being "right back where we were" at the receiver position if we had walked away from the Dez contract.
 
Zeke may get us a championship. Would he be worth a top 4 pick in that instance?

It wouldn't be "Zeke" getting us anything - it would be that we have 3 first round picks dedicated to our offensive line. And I will tell you now, we aren't getting anywhere near a championship unless our secondary steps up.

Which would you rather have, a 5-6 year RB getting us 1,000 yards if he gets out of trouble, or a player like Ramsey that can shut down one side of the field making top flight WRs obsolete every week which also helps our defensive line in the process?

You win championships when you have a great QB or a great defense. We have neither. But we'll get some flashy highlight reels of Zeke and kids doing his "Feed me" crap.
 
It wouldn't be "Zeke" getting us anything - it would be that we have 3 first round picks dedicated to our offensive line. And I will tell you now, we aren't getting anywhere near a championship unless our secondary steps up.

Which would you rather have, a 5-6 year RB getting us 1,000 yards if he gets out of trouble, or a player like Ramsey that can shut down one side of the field making top flight WRs obsolete every week which also helps our defensive line in the process?

You win championships when you have a great QB or a great defense. We have neither. But we'll get some flashy highlight reels of Zeke and kids doing his "Feed me" crap.

Shut down one side of the field >.> I haven't seen that since Deion, honestly.
 
Outside of quarterback, offensive skill position players are overrated. Yes, the passing game is more important than the running game, but running backs affect both and impact plays more meaningly than wide receivers.
 
As others have said, if you've got a Julio or a Brown or a Green or a Beckham, you pay them. That's just how it works. If you have a future HOF type guy in his prime on your team, you keep them around. And look how few of those guys hit the open market.

What it doesn't really pay to do is go after the receivers who do hit the market. Your Sammy Watkins and Allen Robinsons and those guys. IMO, the cost of WRs right now is inflated above what they're really worth because good QBs are so freaking rare. You are basically stuck with the passer you have whether he's any good or not, and if you've got a young QB, you need to build an offense around him fast before you arrest his development. So in order to develop the Goffs and Trubiskys of the league, and prop up its Alex Smiths, teams are spending big bucks on wideouts. And while guys who can get open and make big catches do help their QB, I personally don't think it's as big of an aid as having a great pass blocking OL or a stud RB. The league seems to disagree with me, but right now I'd say WRs are overvalued and RBs and interior linemen are undervalued. It's not Todd Gurley vs Antonio Brown, like one poster said, right now, the comparison is closer to Todd Gurley vs Brandin Cooks. Both signed for almost identical annual averages, from the same team, weeks apart from each other. That is as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as you're ever going to find. Same price, Cooks or Gurley, who are you taking.

Part of that discrepancy is because the NFL is unquestionably a passing league now, part of it's that RBs are injury prone, part of it's that mediocre RBs can be had for pennies, you get all that. But I think the situation is starting to swing the other way. The league went through a real drought of incoming RB talent from 2009-2012, go on Wikipedia and look at those RB draft classes. They were absolutely horrible. Ryan Matthews, Knowshon Moreno, CJ Spiller, Doug Martin, obviously hyper-bust Trent Richardson, pretty much every 1st round back failed. A lot of the mid round guys did too. But starting in 2015, Gurley, Zeke, Fournette and Barkley have been four blue chip, top-5 type prospects all back-to-back from 2015-2018, whereas there was only 1 RB that went top 10 from 2009-2014 (T-Rich), so the feature backs are finally coming around again. Heck, look at this last draft class too, teams absolutely hammered the 2nd round for running backs. I think we are starting to see a bit of a resurgence just in talent at the position.

On top of that, teams are finding out that RBs can be used to prop up a veteran QB or break in a new one even better than a spendy WR can. And I actually think the Cowboys are responsible for that trend, because we showed the league how to do it twice, with Romo/Murray and Dak/Elliott. Look at Jacksonville, look at NYG - they want their own Zeke. Sure you can get a 4 YPC banger for a 3rd day pick, but good luck finding a stud bell cow who can elevate your QB in the 5th. Gurley set a new benchmark for what RBs are worth because the Rams realize that guys like him are NOT expendable. He's not some committee back you just churn though. He's the engine that makes that entire offense go, he's the guy propping up their 23 yo franchise QB, and so he shattered the roof for RB salaries.

Elite WRs are usually worth every cent you pay them - look at AJ Green almost singlehandedly bailing out Andy Dalton's career for like 8 years - but I don't like what you have to pay for good WRs nowadays. I think we're doing the smart thing by building our line, paying our RB, and moneyballing it with cheap free agents and draft picks at WR.
 
Personally, I’d go with a top-shelf RB over a top-shelf WR.

There’s only so much creativity you can bring to your running game on, say, 1st-and-10 or 2nd-and-5. But a stud/workhorse RB can consistently chew up the yards behind even an average O-line — which will help open up the passing game.

Whereas, the sky’s the limit on being creative within your passing game. Even if you’re not blessed with an all-pro WR, you can still convert 3rd downs, or move the chains quickly, by intelligently scheming for the personnel you have.
 
Shut down one side of the field >.> I haven't seen that since Deion, honestly.

Then you didn't watch the Jets Revis in 2009 or 2010 or Sherman in 2012-2013. Ramsey has a ceiling of both of those guys and was shutting down some of the best receivers in the game in his second year...

There wasn't even that much of a drop off from Zeke to Morris.
 
It wouldn't be "Zeke" getting us anything - it would be that we have 3 first round picks dedicated to our offensive line. And I will tell you now, we aren't getting anywhere near a championship unless our secondary steps up.

Which would you rather have, a 5-6 year RB getting us 1,000 yards if he gets out of trouble, or a player like Ramsey that can shut down one side of the field making top flight WRs obsolete every week which also helps our defensive line in the process?

You win championships when you have a great QB or a great defense. We have neither. But we'll get some flashy highlight reels of Zeke and kids doing his "Feed me" crap.
Zeke every day all day. We made the right pick.
 
Then you didn't watch the Jets Revis in 2009 or 2010 or Sherman in 2012-2013. Ramsey has a ceiling of both of those guys and was shutting down some of the best receivers in the game in his second year...

There wasn't even that much of a drop off from Zeke to Morris.

Morris totally sucked last year. Horrible backup. He was woefully inadequate as a backup.
 
Morris totally sucked last year. Horrible backup. He was woefully inadequate as a backup.

Morris was averaging nearly what Zeke was averaging before he was suspended and when he returned LOL

The only difference is, Morris wasn't getting as many carries as Zeke consistently. Morris had 547 yards on 115 carries and a 4.8 yard average. This isn't a significant drop off.

Now take most teams #1 CB and replace it with their #2, how much of a drop off is there? A top flight CB is simply more valuable to a team. Making an opposing QBs job harder is the ultimate goal in today's league.

This isn't 1995.
 
Morris was averaging nearly what Zeke was averaging before he was suspended and when he returned LOL

The only difference is, Morris wasn't getting as many carries as Zeke consistently. Morris had 547 yards on 115 carries and a 4.8 yard average. This isn't a significant drop off.

Now take most teams #1 CB and replace it with their #2, how much of a drop off is there? A top flight CB is simply more valuable to a team. Making an opposing QBs job harder is the ultimate goal in today's league.

This isn't 1995.

Teams didn't fear Morris. He was an afterthought. Teams stacked the box to stop Zeke. Huge difference in scenario.

If you were correct we would have kept Morris and cut Zeke loose at a tenth of the cap number.
 
I am of the opinion that it probably doesn't pay to PAY a receiver who would be considered top 5. If the Cowboys had the chance to sign AJ Green, Julio, Antonio Bryant or whoever you think is top 5 the percentage of the cap is just too great with too much risk.

Receivers seem to be found anywhere in the draft. Wouldn't it be better to keep the OL and DT intact, pay a stud RB (or use a high pick on one) and your QB and draft a receiver in the 2nd-5th round pretty much every year and rotate them out?

Hurns was a 1000 yard receiver and we obtained himfairky cheaply. Wouldn't this be better for out cap and better for the team as a whole?
I think we should see what we have this year, and then decide.
If a rare WR come along in the draft, I’m not opposed completely to taking him. Not my general preference to take one top 10 though...just never day never
 
We got Hurns "cheaply" because his only 1000 yard season was 2015. The last two seasons he didn't have 1000 yards, combined.

He missed a lot of games the past two years, including six last year with a high ankle sprain. Had some productive games before he got hurt in 2017.
 

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