News: Like It Or Not: The Dallas Cowboys Will Look To Their Own To Improve Pass Rush

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Irving has real potential but outside of him we have little to nothing that will improve our pass rush. DLaw was a big disappointment last season and may not see a second contract with the Cowboys so we have to get busy and find a solid edge rusher unless the goal is to continue to falter in the divisional round every time we make the playoffs.
Yes sir. The goal is to get better not stay the same or get worse.
 

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Oh my god. The last 3 years it's the same story. Pass rush and defense fails the team miserably, everyone and their mother knows it's the glaring #1 need.

A little time goes by and it turns into, "Nevermind. Forget that any chance of competing was destroyed on the back of our nonexistent pass rush and journeyman defense, there's no need to get anyone that can play. We'll just sign a nobody and pray."

The pass rush will be a little better than last year, and actually has some potential if they can stay healthy, but they are the definition of unreliable.

But still, if they don't get somebody on the line that can play, we're not going anywhere.

Except this isn't true. They spent a lot of resources on anything but 'a nobody' after the 2014 season. That was after spending at least some significant resources in the 2014 draft. And they spent some resources in last years draft (with promising results from those who were healthy).
 

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While more sacks are needed, your statement is not true... Collins played darned well for a rookie and had 5 sacks for DT who played about 600 snaps.

Mayowa came on towards the end of the year and had 6 sacks in less than 400 snaps which is a good ratio.

I'll grant you that more skill at the DE spot has to happen, but there are bright spots on the defensive line.
Cut it out - your facts and objectivity are not welcome here
 

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The story line is that "we'll stick to our own to resolve our pass rush" but it doesn't say we won't draft anyone for that purpose. If the team elects to do just that, we'd be "sticking to our own" to develop a pass rush with rookies that would, indeed, be "our own." Apparently, it'll be what's in house and the draft that we'll rely upon for an improved pass rush. It may surely not be a quick fix but I'm not seeing it as hopeless, either.

Anyhow, that's how I interpret what the stated intentions mean. If that's somehow in error, someone set me straight and I'll stand corrected. To me, it's all about avoiding the possible likelihood of overspending for vet free agents who may or may not pan out as the Dallas staff anticipates. Like it or not, evidently that's the plan of those in charge going forward.
 
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Translation: Pre-draft season of lying, diversion and deception is now in full effect.
 

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Irving has real potential but outside of him we have little to nothing that will improve our pass rush. DLaw was a big disappointment last season and may not see a second contract with the Cowboys so we have to get busy and find a solid edge rusher unless the goal is to continue to falter in the divisional round every time we make the playoffs.
Exactly.

How many times do we have to get beat in the playoffs by Aaron Rogers before somebody has an epiphany that our pass rush aint good enough?

Considering that our entire front 7 didn't register a single sack against Rogers after basically 3 weeks of rest, I have very little confidence that this plan to improve from within is going to work.
 

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Exactly.

How many times do we have to get beat in the playoffs by Aaron Rogers before somebody has an epiphany that our pass rush aint good enough?

Considering that our entire front 7 didn't register a single sack against Rogers after basically 3 weeks of rest, I have very little confidence that this plan to improve from within is going to work.

It's pretty discouraging if the team is looking to what we have now to improve the pass rush. Irving has potential but outside of him I don't see much. To contain an Aaron Rodgers you have to get him on the ground because pressure isn't enough. If you flush him out he'll find an open receiver.
 

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Not for one second am I believing we're not going to address our pass rush in the draft. Our number one priority has to be improving the pass rush. Although we improved our win total by 9 games but still have the same issues this off-season as we had entering last off-season of needing an edge rusher and a backup QB.
 

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The story line is that "we'll stick to our own to resolve our pass rush" but it doesn't say we won't draft anyone for that purpose. If the team elects to do just that, we'd be "sticking to our own" to develop a pass rush with rookies that would, indeed, be "our own." Apparently, it'll be what's in house and the draft that we'll rely upon for an improved pass rush. It may surely not be a quick fix but I'm not seeing it as hopeless, either.

Anyhow, that's how I interpret what the stated intentions mean. If that's somehow in error, someone set me straight and I'll stand corrected. To me, it's all about avoiding the possible likelihood of overspending for vet free agents who may or may not pan out as the Dallas staff anticipates. Like it or not, evidently that's the plan of those in charge going forward.

If the solution is to just draft a guy who's statistically not going to be very productive his first year, then no one should expect us to get out of the NFC. Then all the dudes saying right now saying "but i don't want to overpay in FA, let's just build through the draft", can break out their pom poms and give the forum a dance.

This is not a new story. If we don't get someone in here that can just give us 8+ sacks, we're going to lose again and it's going to be the main culprit. Again.

The thing that gives me faith is they really went after Hardy in 2015.
 

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It's pretty discouraging if the team is looking to what we have now to improve the pass rush. Irving has potential but outside of him I don't see much. To contain an Aaron Rodgers you have to get him on the ground because pressure isn't enough. If you flush him out he'll find an open receiver.

If I'm in the FO I go Into this offseason not expecting tapper or smith to play. Also need a replacement for dlaw after this season. Need cbs also.
 

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It still all boils down to this...no one stands out as a dominant player, up front.
 

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If the solution is to just draft a guy who's statistically not going to be very productive his first year, then no one should expect us to get out of the NFC. Then all the dudes saying right now saying "but i don't want to overpay in FA, let's just build through the draft", can break out their pom poms and give the forum a dance.

This is not a new story. If we don't get someone in here that can just give us 8+ sacks, we're going to lose again and it's going to be the main culprit. Again.

The thing that gives me faith is they really went after Hardy in 2015.

I don't know of anyone who's inclined to do cartwheels over this pass rush situation, myself included. Evidently, the Dallas FO isn't impressed with the selections available in veteran free agency and the expense that they'd entail. Take solace in the FO going after Hardy a while back if it makes you feel better, although that unfortunate scenario is reportedly what the FO wants desperately to avoid repeating. I'll pass on the pom poms.
 
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If our defense (especially pass rush) isn't markedly better this year, it's likely going to be a long season.
 

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The original article presupposes a paltry contribution from any rookie. That might not be the case. There is depth among the edge rushers and teams tend to push guys up the board at positions where the talent is thin. The odds are Dallas will be in a position to get some help in the draft.

I don't wish to come across as a pollyanna, but I am not be any means resigned to there not being meaningful improvement from the pass rush.

Further this is a team that won 13 games behind a rookie QB. The cupboard is hardly bare. And the McClay team has earned some draft day trust.

I get as frustrated as anyone, but I am not sure a model that has proved effective after prior years of up and down, mediocre results should be scuttled to make an immoderate effort to bring in a flawed veteran. Dallas already has some flawed veterans.
 
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