Little Inside Info on Calvin Pryor

[4lifecowboy]

Would you want Joyner as a Safety or Corner?

Safety

 

[jterrell]

And Taylor Mays ran like a 4.2 40 yard dash at the combine.

I don't give a rip about the combine unless it shows a wide disparity between their on-field play and their workout. They play very, very similar styles of football, and the comparison is apt.

sorry but no.
Mays ran a 4.4 40 at the combine and skipped every agility drill.
He also had ample tape of playing terrible at USC.
He overran plays, flat missed players by a mile and was largely terrible.

Pryor may be a similar play to Swearinger in style but again it is clear he is a MUCH better prospect.

Mike Mayock had Swearinger in as his 57th rated prospect last year. He has Pryor as his top overall safety in 2014.

 

[xwalker]

Pryor may be a similar play to Swearinger in style but again it is clear he is a MUCH better prospect.

I was a big fan of Swearinger in last years draft. I didn't follow too closely, but I think he had a really good rookie season.

I think people are underestimating Wilcox as a coverage Safety. He was one of the best Safeties that I've seen in the one-on-one coverage drills against WRs at the Senior Bowl practices. He was better against the same WRs than several of the CBs.

I'm not surprised that he had issues in 2013. He only player Safety for 1 year in college at a small school. His mother died during training camp and then he had a knee injury. He did return, but I doubt if the knee injury was ever 100%.

 

[xwalker]

Taylor Mays
Height: 6031
Weight: 230
arm length: 34"
hand size: 10.25"
40 Yrd Dash: 4.31
20 Yrd Dash: 2.46
10 Yrd Dash: 1.45
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24
3-Cone Drill: 6.98

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have seen Pryor make plays on the ball from the deep middle in several games. He is an excellent zone player.

 

[Doc50]

Still don't deter me. I feel like he is exactly what we need in our defensive backfield and wouldn't blink an eye if we took him with our first pick, with Lamarcus Joyner being the only other consideration for me as far as secondary help.

Winning football is all about individual and team discipline.

While Pryor has shown lack of that at times, I don't think any of us have enough info to judge his general attitude, coachability, heart, etc.

But if I'm looking for my RKG, I wouldn't want a player who puts his own goals ahead of the team's.

And since we've been telling them that since the 4th grade, if it hasn't taken hold by now, it never will.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Winning football is all about individual and team discipline.

While Pryor has shown lack of that at times, I don't think any of us have enough info to judge his general attitude, coachability, heart, etc.

But if I'm looking for my RKG, I wouldn't want a player who puts his own goals ahead of the team's.

And since we've been telling them that since the 4th grade, if it hasn't taken hold by now, it never will.

Sounds like what they said about Dez before he got here. How'd that work out for us? This kid hasn't got into any trouble and loves to play football, and from what I seen is pretty good at it which we sorely need. I believe he can be an emotional spark for our lackadaisical secondary.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I just spoke with one of the Louisville coaches this weekend at a coaching clinic in Orange County and he was raving about Pryor. Now he is supposed to, but this coach has coached numerous high draft picks from the University of Washington and Tennessee. He had good things to say about the other Louisville safety, Hakeem Smith, but said things like "very solid" and "always knows where to be" regarding Smith. He said Pryor is tailor-made for the current NFL and won't make it out of the first round.

 

[jterrell]

Taylor Mays
Height: 6031
Weight: 230
arm length: 34"
hand size: 10.25"
40 Yrd Dash: 4.31
20 Yrd Dash: 2.46
10 Yrd Dash: 1.45
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24
3-Cone Drill: 6.98

those are not his combine numbers.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/taylor--mays?id=494283

 

[jterrell]

I was a big fan of Swearinger in last years draft. I didn't follow too closely, but I think he had a really good rookie season.

I think people are underestimating Wilcox as a coverage Safety. He was one of the best Safeties that I've seen in the one-on-one coverage drills against WRs at the Senior Bowl practices. He was better against the same WRs than several of the CBs.

I'm not surprised that he had issues in 2013. He only player Safety for 1 year in college at a small school. His mother died during training camp and then he had a knee injury. He did return, but I doubt if the knee injury was ever 100%.

Wilcox undoubtedly can man cover guys.
He is a great prospect to have on the team.
He'd be ideal in a 3rd safety role this year where he could be brought in to man cover guys in nickel and dime.

But he is not a guy you want to rely on yet. He's simply too green with regards to understanding the game. He needs way more football IQ and that undoubtedly will come with time. He's exactly the kind of guy a good team would have on the bench.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

I actually think Wilcox is maybe 90% of Pryor, and has a really similar playing style. Both are explosive hitters, and fly around aggressively. And both are a little undisciplined and/or raw in the coverage aspect, but have the athletic traits to improve and be effective.

Although I think Pryor is better, I don't think he's better to the tune of using a #1 on him when we just brought Wilcox in with a #3 last year. We knew he needed time to develop, so it's no surprise he's taking some time. I just think adding Pryor would be a little redundant and wouldn't be maximizing the value of that pick.

 

[DFWJC]

Yeah I didnt think Pryor was ever an option at 16. He reminds me a lot of DJ Swearinger from last year.

I'd say Swearinger--who may end up being a long-time NFL starter--is a much lesser version of Pryor.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

I'd say Swearinger--who may end up being a long-time NFL starter--is a much lesser version of Pryor.

Bingo. I'd say Pryor is Swearinger+. And I don't doubt he'll be a really nice asset for someone, but you'd have to have a pretty low opinion on Wilcox to think the gap between Pryor and Wilcox is worth using a 1st rounder on.

 

[jterrell]

Bingo. I'd say Pryor is Swearinger+. And I don't doubt he'll be a really nice asset for someone, but you'd have to have a pretty low opinion on Wilcox to think the gap between Pryor and Wilcox is worth using a 1st rounder on.

There is zero doubt the gap between Pryor now and Wilcox last year is a monstrous gulf.
The question is after a full off-season will that gulf be anything of note.

Wilcox did not know where to go last year and anytime he was not in a man coverage situation he was exposed so badly they brought in the undrafted free agent.

Watching us lose to the Eagles where Heath and Wilcox took turns getting picked on for their weaknesses as we got knocked out of the playoffs should have everyone very concerned about any plans that include them in 2014.

 

[tm1119]

There is zero doubt the gap between Pryor now and Wilcox last year is a monstrous gulf.
The question is after a full off-season will that gulf be anything of note.

Wilcox did not know where to go last year and anytime he was not in a man coverage situation he was exposed so badly they brought in the undrafted free agent.

Watching us lose to the Eagles where Heath and Wilcox took turns getting picked on for their weaknesses as we got knocked out of the playoffs should have everyone very concerned about any plans that include them in 2014.

Wilcox should have never touched the field last year except for special teams. And this year he still needs to be weened in slowly to the safety position. The entire situation was handled horribly for a guy that was considered a massive project. Guess that's what happens when your GM thinks D2 players and crappy veterans who couldn't hold a starting position their entire careers is enough to fill 1 of the most important defensive positions on the field.

Sign a legit veteran to play the position this year and continue to bring Wilcox along slowly. There is no player on our roster who is a starting caliber FS right now (unless you count Carr).

 

[xwalker]

There is zero doubt the gap between Pryor now and Wilcox last year is a monstrous gulf.
The question is after a full off-season will that gulf be anything of note.

Wilcox did not know where to go last year and anytime he was not in a man coverage situation he was exposed so badly they brought in the undrafted free agent.

Yes, that is the key issue.

Wilcox + 1 year of Pro experience with 1 year of Pro Coaching vs Rookie Safety

 

[Doc50]

Sounds like what they said about Dez before he got here. How'd that work out for us? This kid hasn't got into any trouble and loves to play football, and from what I seen is pretty good at it which we sorely need. I believe he can be an emotional spark for our lackadaisical secondary.

Dez has had some problems, both on & off the field, and I don't see any new sign of commitment to the team concept (as opposed to the "no one is listening to me" tirades). He still runs inexact routes, wrong routes, and takes some plays off. He is therefore not an elite receiver.

There are other examples of "can't miss" prospects with unbelievable talent who never came close to realising their full potential in the NFL.
Usually this is due to their elite natural ability stifling or not requiring them to work; they've always been so much better their peers, and always gotten away with an undisciplined approach.

Call me old school (cause I'm old), but there would be no tirades on the sideline or leaving the field early on my team. You just can't allow that kind of disruption, and you can't change the rules for just a few players. And you can't use Irvin to counter this point, because he was 10 times the team player that Dez is; his work ethic and passion were down right inspirational.

Therefore, I would have some serious discussions with Mr. Bryant regarding his impending new contract, and would demand complete commitment and maturity before making an offer. It's quite possible that the offer he may get from Jerry will not match those he would get elsewhere, since those folks cannot be aware of the inordinate amount of babysitting he has required.

Reminds me of the Josh Hamilton situation with the rangers. There is no way his fragile personna can be managed anywhere better than it was with Texas, but I would have offered him less because of it, then let him walk if he failed to realize just how good he had it. I doubt we will see his rebirth.

 

[jterrell]

Yes, that is the key issue.

Wilcox + 1 year of Pro experience with 1 year of Pro Coaching vs Rookie Safety

The 1 year of pro experience can be negated right off the bat because Wilcox still didn't know where to line up week 17.
He was busting coverages at an alarming rate.
In fact I'd be willing to wager Wilcox busted more coverages last year than any player in a single Cowboys season ever has at Safety.

 

[tm1119]

The 1 year of pro experience can be negated right off the bat because Wilcox still didn't know where to line up week 17.
He was busting coverages at an alarming rate.
In fact I'd be willing to wager Wilcox busted more coverages last year than any player in a single Cowboys season ever has at Safety.

Not to mention that being coached 3 years in a Charlie Strong defense is still more experience than Wilcox has.

I think Wilcox can make a career as a starting safety in the NFL....its just going to have to be SS. Let him develop another year and let him take over for Church in 2015 if he wins the job. He can be the same player as Church just with more upside because he is a superior athlete. Expecting him to learn all of the nuances of reading a defense and positioning himself correctly in such a short of time is unrealistic in my eyes.

 

[xwalker]

Not to mention that being coached 3 years in a Charlie Strong defense is still more experience than Wilcox has.

I think Wilcox can make a career as a starting safety in the NFL....its just going to have to be SS. Let him develop another year and let him take over for Church in 2015 if he wins the job. He can be the same player as Church just with more upside because he is a superior athlete. Expecting him to learn all of the nuances of reading a defense and positioning himself correctly in such a short of time is unrealistic in my eyes.

Church was the Free Safety in 2013.