Little update on Pacman

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FuzzyLumpkins;2023590 said:
I he is reinstated and is able to play then he either has to put him on the roster and eat up a spot or release him. He cannot just have additional players under contract that do not meet the criteria for various reasons. if he tries to place Jones on a list erroneoulsy the league/union wont allow it.

But i did think that there was someone with an axe to grind and was acting irrationally and apparently its old Bud.
I guess I should expect this kind of thing from posters who think the entire league is in league to bring down the mighty Cowboys.
 

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Just so nobody thinks I'm running away (as it always turns out if I leave a thread before any of the 5 people arguing with me), I've got to go home and grab lunch. I may be on later and will try to get back to the 20 responses I'm sure I will get, but I don't know if time (or kids) permits.
 

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Jim Wyatt, of the Tennessean, reports the New Orleans Saints have expressed some level of interest in suspended Tennessee Titans CB Pacman Jones.
 

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firehawk350;2023672 said:
When has he said he will not show up to any other team other than the Cowboys? He hasn't said that so it's pointless to mention.

I'm simply pointing out that the idea that he'll just go 'anywhere the Titans' send him is flawed. I'm not saying he would for sure do that but he absolutely could, and very likely would if they tried to send him to someplace like Miami or Arizona or something.
 

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All Fuzzy-Fire aside......

This is simply an ongoing negotiation likley far from over. The closer we get to the draft the more pressure is on the Titans, because they are wanting draft picks for this draft. I am sure Jerry will stick to his guns on this one. I dont have a problem with draft picks, but giving them any money is ludicrous.. The Titans signed him to the deal as a rookie and it is their responsibility to pay his bonus not us..This is the risk you run with these large contracts on rookies..
 

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firehawk350;2023674 said:
Except I'm don't care if the trade gets done, I don't see how you don't see that. The only thing I really have pointed out is whining that the Titans are stupid/mean for not immediately jumping at Jerry's offer is stupid and asisine.

It's about as 'stupid' and 'assinine' as what you're doing here.

You're trying to come off as the 'unbiased' voice of reason here when the fact is that you wish it was your team negotiating with the Titans.

It's not 'whining' when someone feels the Titans' demands are unreasonable - it's opinion.

You're a Commanders fan so you see everything the Cowboys do from the 'enemy' perspective. And we regard your team in the same way.

Problem is, when we criticize the Commanders' moves, we're usually right.
 

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firehawk350;2023683 said:
Just so nobody thinks I'm running away (as it always turns out if I leave a thread before any of the 5 people arguing with me), I've got to go home and grab lunch. I may be on later and will try to get back to the 20 responses I'm sure I will get, but I don't know if time (or kids) permits.

Well.....bye!

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firehawk350;2023661 said:
A childish response... WAh wah wah wah... Either way, trust me I know. There's this guy, FuzzyLumpkins, that thinks that what people like doesn't matter to how well things sell. I mean, if that was true, why does the league care so much about it's image? I guess being so insistent on being wrong is just his thing. Go figure.

i never said that and youre not very bright thinking that i did. i said that it was one factor and something that they could change but not the most influential. i could get the intot he semantics of the word 'like' becasue it is far more encompassing then what you think. People 'like' money.

Really though its funny you calling me wrong when you dont even begin to understand what we are talking about.

So personal taste doesn't play a big role in any food, drink, sports or fashion industry? I would have to say that's the primary driving factor. Perception plays the biggest role in that.

Which has more effects on sales?

A) increasing marketing expenditures in an area by 5%
B) Increasing per capita income in an area by 5%

or

A) increasing marketing expenditures in an area by 5%
B) Increasing the population in an area by 5%

or

A) increasing marketing expenditures in an area by 5%
B) A top competitor increasing the price of their good s by 5% (say Nike to Reebok)

if you choose A in any of these you are without a clue

As i stated before tlaking to someone who has no idea of what they are talking about is irritating

Yeah, there's no other ways to drive up profits. Like market research and improving (or adapting the product) to the populace or reexamining the supply chains.

Weve been talking about demand and marketing. Saying they could increase marketing is funny considering that is exaclty what I am talking about. Changing the product and supply changes creates a different market or supply curve but hey keep flailing about.

I am guessing you didnt go to the schools in Fairfax county.

Either way, marketing changes perception (or supposed to) and it's well known that a good advertising campaign has turned companies around.

Not nearly to the degree that an overall economic boom has. But really who cares this is irrelevant otehr than to show you know nothing of economics.

OMGZZ ITS ALL ABOUT PERCEPTION !!!!1! !!1!!!11!

Either way, it is an option and if they are going to get scratch in compensation, why not give it a try? Just me though.

Sure its a thought. not a very well thought out one. having a volatile malcontent in a bad situation is asking for disaster. it also makes the franchise looking like a bunch of maroons but in fairness i dont think the titans care very much about that.

Sorry, I meant supply. I was thinking demand in my head as in somebody is in demand when I know it's supply. Either way, your self-righteous crap is getting real old, real fast. Supply equals number of laborers at the skill level and demand is the number of jobs for those laborers.

Hey if you want to talk about things you know nothing about and then cry when youre called on it so be it. I am glad you finally said something accurate but lets take that a tep farther: whats your point? Do you even have one?

Likewise, Jones wanting Pacman at a 7th (or 6th) is as useless as "your understanding of economics". Wanting doesn't complete a deal. FO man, where the hell is your degree in economics?

Youre right as i have stated before wanting is meaningless. The fact that we are willing to pay a low round choice and no one is willing to pay more is not useless.

And i can understand that it must be frustrating trying to act like you know what youre ttalking about with someone who actually does considering the FO comment. i forgive you.

Your analogy is stupid because there's only one guy on the trade block and there aren't anymore running around. Also, it's a car that may break down the second you try to drive it. Furthermore, it isn't an auction, it's a one-on-one trade. Different rules apply, they don't have to sell the Ferrari. In that way, it's more like a dealership or private individual listing the car.

You keep on accusing me of speaking nonsense and now this.

first there are other corners. I know that may come as a shock to you but its true.

second who cares if it could break down. it could also impress Jessica Alba and get you a date but that is meaningless. Maybe one of these will stick if you keep throwing.

After a completion of an auction there is a one on one deal however during the auction other entities can come in and bid. There is nothing keeping say the Seahawks from giving an offer to beat ours. they simply choose not to. its only a one on one deal becasue noone else wnats to step in.

Finally its not like a public listing because the public cannot bid. Only 31 teams can as such its a private matter.

What the hell are you babbling about now??? The titans are the sellers, why would they be bidding? They aren't in an auction house where pacman has to go so no, they don't have to bid a single thing.

Like I keep saying, you are without a clue. A seller at an auction can establish a minimum bid. that says that any bids lower than the specified amount will not be accepted. On ebay they call that a reserve price.

However if no one goes above the minimum bid then you do not mae a sale and have to try again.

The titans could care less what your position is. I don't care who I buy or sell from (richest or poorest person in the world). They don't have to do anything. They can wait until Goodell makes a decision or Jones swears on a stack of bibles before they do anything at all. Your failure to realize this is clearly clouding your judgment.

You were the one talking about how you take issue with Cowboys fans saying the Titans were spitting in our faces. i was addressing that although i am not surprised that you cannot even keep up with what you say yourself.

As for the Titans waiting, they pretty much have until the draft. After that anything they get doesnt help tehm this season.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2023294 said:
they know that if they file a grievance over the SB they will lose and so now they are pulling this garbage. its like dealing with an angry woman.

We are trading for the player even with all his personal baggage. It is not our responsibility to clean up their mess. That they paid him the SB and drafted him so high is THEIR PROBLEM, not ours.

If we were to trade Akin Ayodele, would we tell the team that we are trading him to to recoup some of his signing bonus? No, that would be stupid.

The level of incompetence from the Titans organization is staggering. There is someone within that organization that is operating on an emotional basis. Demanding your sunk costs be repaid in a market transaction is stupid.

We can wait this out easily and there are no ramifications for us if this deal gets done now or next month. they lose out on draft picks in this years draft and we dont have to pay with this years draft picks is the only difference. Jones cannot participate in club activities until at least July so why should we care?

I would tell them that we will be more than willing to negotiate once they pull their heads out of their backsides and decide to exist in the real world. This world where the Titans demand us to clean up their mess after giving them a fair deal for what Jones is worth status quo in this market just isn't going to work

I can't :hammer: enough

let's cut Bobby Carpenter, and file a grievance asking him to return his rookie bonus back because he hasn't panned out for us:bang2:
 

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Any chance of merging all these Pacman threads as they all are about essentially the same thing?...Which at this point, is nothing :rolleyes:
 

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firehawk350;2023424 said:
And the market forces are... SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!! YAY third grade education! And supply and demand are all based on perception... A Ferrari is perceived to be a very nice car, so therefore it's demand is high. Perception drives demand. You can't quantify the demand for a particular thing. You produce the same amount of Honda Accords and Ferraris and the accords will still go for considerably less because it isn't perceived as well.

not really, Ferraris are higher priced than Hondas, because there are million more Hondas made than Ferraris, because they are cheaper to make

Supply and Demand is basically self-explanatory, and even then you still fail

supply is the amount of a produced product, if you have alot, the demand isn't that great, viceversa, the fewer you have, the more the demand, and the more you can ask for in compensation

the quality and amount of a product impacts the market value for it far more than perception

that's why ridiculous amounts of money are being blown during free agency, the quality of good players available is severly limited
 

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superpunk;2023690 said:
Sat, 8 Mar 2008
Jim Wyatt, of the Tennessean, reports the New Orleans Saints have expressed some level of interest in suspended Tennessee Titans CB Pacman Jones.

Now this is the place where he needs to go....Nawlins! Think there may be a few more opportunities to get in trouble there? wonder what the over/under would be for getting in trouble there?? one week??
 

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firehawk350;2023381 said:
I don't care how much pacman is worth, all I noticed is a running theme around here that the Titans should be overly pleased that they get anything at all for him when that's not how it works.

FTR, if it was my call, I'd offer a a conditional 3rd next year. If he gets reinstated and doesn't get suspended next year, they get a third. If he doesn't get reinstated or just gets suspended next year, they get a 5th.

The point here is that Pacman's worth is DETERMINED BY THE MARKET, NOT THE TITANS.

This is like 5th grade economics here, it is LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

Translation: 1 out of 31 teams are negotiating for Pac, thus demand is almost non-existent. When there is little to no demand guess what, PRICE DROPS. When there is alot of demand, like 10 teams trying to trade for Pac, the PRICE INCREASES.

I dont give a rats arse what the Titans think Pac is or is not worth, the market right now is Dallas. What Dallas offers is the "market price", if another team offered a higher pick, then that offere would be "market".

This is really not that difficult of a concept, however I am not surprised Commander fans are confused:D
 

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firehawk350;2023397 said:
Pacman will go where the Titans send him, I don't think there is much of a choice. He could hold out and not play, but would you for that much money? And at that point, if he did want to play, no club could (under league rules) touch him until the Commanders either release or trade him. Them the rules.

There is also somthing called common sense, I know Commander fans have a problem with that concept.:laugh2:

Usually a team does not trade for a player that does not want to be there, kinda ******** thing to do. :lmao:
 
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