Looking at Wade's four playoff losses

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I've been a Wade critic prior to this year and I've just had to flat stop myself this year. For one reason when I read stuff like what the little ball of hate wrote about Wade this week---I have to just cringe. Is that how callous and classless I sound sometimes? Am I such a pathetic person like that?!? Have I become so selfish, impatient, and all-demanding?

Geesh. Let me step back towards being human again.

But it's more than just that. It's about being rational and actually looking at things objectively. So here goes: Is Wade a good regular season coach but then a playoff choker?

Wade has lost four times in the playoffs, without a victory. Does that end the story? Maybe looking at the games can help illuminate things.

1. His 1993 Denver team lost in L.A. to the Raiders. The Raiders had home field and were favored. Certainly no crime in a loss like that.

2. His 1999 Buffalo team lost on the road to the favored Dolphins. The Bills had Flutie. The Dolphins had Marino at home. Is that a choke or a very predictable and likely outcome?

3. This is the most ridiculous one of all...the so-called year 2000 "Music City Miracle." Wade's team made a heroic and amazing comeback...taking a 1 pt lead with only 15 seconds left. Then a freaky across-the-field/pass lateral leads to an insane touchdown. Sure critics, pin that on Wade---and prove what a zero you are. By the way--here again Wade's team was on the road as an underdog.

To sum up to this point: Wade lost three road playoff games...all in which his team was expected to lose. In one tiny Doug Flutie gets hit and fumbles while inside the Dolphins 10 with time expiring. In another his team makes a heroic comeback and then is robbed on a fluke.

4. Which brings us to game 4...Cowboys-Giants. This is the one game where perhaps you could say that Wade's team should have won, but the Cowboys continued the ineptitude which had plagued them for a decade. Was it Wade's fault? Did he somehow choke for the team, making Crayton drop that pass...causing those holding penalties. Was he responsible for Romo having to run for his life?

Let's not forget: The Cowboys lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion that day.

To prove that Wade is a choker you'd have to see a pattern where his teams significantly underperform in the playoffs. I don't see that in these four games. Three were very close. If a playmaker had stepped up in any of those 3 games, Wade could have won and moved on, deeper into the playoffs.

The way I see it: the coach's job is to put the players into a situation where they can succeed. It's the players job to seize victory.

I wish Wade wasn't a chubster. I wish he didn't squirm awkwardly on the sidelines. I wish he sounded more authoritative when he spoke. But as for the job he's paid to do: get his team into the playoffs and prepare them for success----------I think he's been outstanding.
 

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A great coach wins 2 of these games.
 

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I never said Wade was a great coach. But he's a darn good one...better than the previous four in Dallas....yes better than Parcells.

Parcells got stuck in a previous era and lost a sense of the modern game.
 

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T-RO;3117646 said:
I never said Wade was a great coach. But he's a darn good one...better than the previous four in Dallas....yes better than Parcells.

Parcells got stuck in a previous era and lost a sense of the modern game.

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that one where Flutie was the QB....If I remember correctly, Flutie was the one that got them there after Johnson was injured and then when he got healthy he went ahead and put Johnson back in.....I'm remembering this because I remember they kept showing Flutie sitting on the bench with a look of disgust. I remember thinking that they were making a mistake then as well. I think they would have been better off with Flutie in there.

EDIT: I just looked it up and Flutie was in there....but I do know that the above scenario did happen...just maybe a different year.
 

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T-RO;3117646 said:
I never said Wade was a great coach. But he's a darn good one...better than the previous four in Dallas....yes better than Parcells.

Parcells got stuck in a previous era and lost a sense of the modern game.

I wonder what this team would look like if we didn't have them years of Parcells.
 

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The problem is that the way you look at it is just like Wade looks at it. That is, there are a thousand reasons to tell you that things really aren't the way they seem.

Well you know what.... seems like 0-4 to me, and it is.

Having said that, I will be the happiest guy on this board if we win our first playoff game since 1996 this season.

So, in the interest of that..... go Wade!
 

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Hoofbite;3117653 said:
Parcells didn't win a division title while he was here, waited wayyyy too longgg to sit cement block feet Drew Bledsoe down, had some embarrassing performances in December and late in the season(New Orleans, Philly(numerous times), St. Louis, etc.) on national TV, didn't make adjustments during games and during the season and if he did it was way too late. Look I don't think Wade is a better coach than Parcells overall but he is a better coach than Parcells in Dallas.
 

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DaBoys4Life;3117659 said:
I wonder what this team would look like if we didn't have them years of Parcells.
Parcells is outstanding at building a team, but he wasn't a great gameday coach.
 

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Jimz31;3117656 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that one where Flutie was the QB....If I remember correctly, Flutie was the one that got them there after Johnson was injured and then when he got healthy he went ahead and put Johnson back in.....I'm remembering this because I remember they kept showing Flutie sitting on the bench with a look of disgust. I remember thinking that they were making a mistake then as well. I think they would have been better off with Flutie in there.

EDIT: I just looked it up and Flutie was in there....but I do know that the above scenario did happen...just maybe a different year.
You're thinking of the Music City Miracle.


And I think the pressure was on Wade from Ralph Wilson to play Johnson.

Not an excuse, but I think that's what went down.
 

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Jimz31;3117656 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that one where Flutie was the QB....If I remember correctly, Flutie was the one that got them there after Johnson was injured and then when he got healthy he went ahead and put Johnson back in.....I'm remembering this because I remember they kept showing Flutie sitting on the bench with a look of disgust. I remember thinking that they were making a mistake then as well. I think they would have been better off with Flutie in there.

EDIT: I just looked it up and Flutie was in there....but I do know that the above scenario did happen...just maybe a different year.

As someone pointed out, that was the Tennessee year. Also, Flutie wasn't the one who got them there. Flutie was average at best that year. The Bills defense is what got them there.
 

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DaBoys4Life;3117659 said:
I wonder what this team would look like if we didn't have them years of Parcells.

Oh I agree that this team badly needed a disciplinarian.

Parcells is fabulous as a motivator and disciplinarian. I'm pro-hard-assss 100% and I liked that about the Tuna.

But Bill is forever trying to recreate something from a previous era. It's his achilles heel. He's like a military guy trying to use World War 2 techniques in modern warfare.
 

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Future;3117694 said:
Parcells is outstanding at building a team, but he wasn't a great gameday coach.

Exactly. If you could merge Parcells, Red and Wade into one coach---he'd never lose.
 

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T-RO;3117733 said:
Oh I agree that this team badly needed a disciplinarian.

Parcells is fabulous as a motivator and disciplinarian. I'm pro-hard-assss 100% and I liked that about the Tuna.

But Bill is forever trying to recreate something from a previous era. It's his achilles heel. He's like a military guy trying to use World War 2 techniques in modern warfare.

And that won us jack.

If Wade gets the 0-4 is 0-4 treatment, then so does good old Parcells. This is the Parcells legacy in Dallas:

34 wins - 32 losses (just over .500)

O Division Titles

2 Wildcard Appearences (both were losses)

0-2 in the playoffs


Parcells always said "you are what your record says you are" so using his own words, Parcells was a .500 head coach that lost the division every year and the two times we did make the playoffs.....one and done. That is the record of Bill Parcells in Dallas.
 

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Even though they didn't make the playoffs last year, I think that has to count towards his playoff legacy. His team that ended the prior season as the NFC's #1 seed, failed to even make the playoffs the next year.
 

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Future;3117694 said:
Parcells is outstanding at building a team, but he wasn't a great gameday coach.
Can you imagine Wade building a team from the ashes of the Campo era.

BP, not a great game day coach though, I agree.
 
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T-RO;3117646 said:
I never said Wade was a great coach. But he's a darn good one...better than the previous four in Dallas....yes better than Parcells.

Parcells got stuck in a previous era and lost a sense of the modern game.

This to be followed by the next posting which says 8-8 isn't really that bad of a record...
 

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T-RO;3117626 said:
I've been a Wade critic prior to this year and I've just had to flat stop myself this year. For one reason when I read stuff like what the little ball of hate wrote about Wade this week---I have to just cringe. Is that how callous and classless I sound sometimes? Am I such a pathetic person like that?!? Have I become so selfish, impatient, and all-demanding?

Geesh. Let me step back towards being human again.

But it's more than just that. It's about being rational and actually looking at things objectively. So here goes: Is Wade a good regular season coach but then a playoff choker?

Wade has lost four times in the playoffs, without a victory. Does that end the story? Maybe looking at the games can help illuminate things.

1. His 1993 Denver team lost in L.A. to the Raiders. The Raiders had home field and were favored. Certainly no crime in a loss like that..
this one i would give to wade, with the raiders being heavily favored

T-RO;3117626 said:
2. His 1999 Buffalo team lost on the road to the favored Dolphins.
T-RO;3117626 said:
The Bills had Flutie. The Dolphins had Marino at home. Is that a choke or a very predictable and likely outcome?.
Was a choke, not having your team prepared and ready. The bills had flutie! Rememeber somone the other day said that good ole wade could have won in 1960 as the dallas cowboys coach because of his winning percentage. So, this is a choke!

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T-RO;3117626This is the most ridiculous one of all...the so-called year 2000 "Music City Miracle.[/B said:
" Wade's team made a heroic and amazing comeback...taking a 1 pt lead with only 15 seconds left. Then a freaky across-the-field/pass lateral leads to an insane touchdown. Sure critics, pin that on Wade---and prove what a zero you are. By the way--here again Wade's team was on the road as an underdog.

To sum up to this point: Wade lost three road playoff games...all in which his team was expected to lose. In one tiny Doug Flutie gets hit and fumbles while inside the Dolphins 10 with time expiring. In another his team makes a heroic comeback and then is robbed on a fluke..
Again, this is a choke, why, the game is for 60 minutes, not 58 minutes or 59 minutes. Need i remind you of wade's thinking on special teams, they dont count, we saw the results of that with bruce read as special teams coach, and thats why mcbrair got his foot broken because of sloppy special teams play. You cant get around this, because of what Howie Long, Terry Bradshaw, Albert Breer and Jimmy Johnson all told wade, your special teams have stunk ever since buffalo because you dont put emphasis on them. Now, if coach wade is suppose to be this brilliant head coach that is better than jimmy johnson or even tom landry, then why hasnt this coach won a playoff game by now? Why has it taken him so many years to finally realize that special teams are important. Heck, I am a fan and even I know special teams are important.

Your great head coach good ole wade has one big problem, his ego with waiting to fix things.
1. He had to fix special teams after 2007 & 2008 disasters
2. He had to fix run blitz defense after admitting not working on it enough in training camp
3. Then he had to fix the pass defense after the giant game

That is not no great super head coach, its a silly hard headed coach that when his big fat lazy butt is on the line, then he does something and he starts whining about losing and not being given a chance.

QUIT WHINING, AS WELL AS THE ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR WADE! MAKE HIM EARN IT.

Wade is just like ken hamlin, players that after they get their money, everything is ok, and he says quit worrying. Remember, we all tried to tell him about the december decline and he wouldnt listen. He said, everthing is ok. Then in 2008, he said again, quit griping, everything is ok, dont worry. Well, we all waited didnt we, and you saw the results with the humilating loss to the eagles the last game of the season.

If you want wade to win and be a good coach, then quit whining, shut up and put the heat on him to keep winning, while working and preparing good game plans like he should. How many times did wade say last year, we got outcoached?

At least more than 3 times! Is that the mark of a great head coach? NO!

Wade needs someone on him, pushing him to become better, which makes the players push them too. Another thing to remember, most super head coaches have become head coaches after 3-7 years coaching as assistants, their brilliance is seen as a young upcoming coach. Yet, wade was an coordinator starting in 81, it took him 12 years to become a head coach. Why? By your theory and some positive whiners for wade, he would have been signed as a head coach right off, but it took him 12 years after being a defensive coordinator to becoming a head coach.

If you want the monkey off your back, then prove it, shut up and quit whining and prove that your a winning coach in the playoffs. Dont say, oh, i did win a playoff game, i won a bye week playoff game.

Phooey! That stinks and you know it! Again, like Jimmy Johnson said, I hate losing and you should too. Not be content wanting a contract extension so you can wait another 2 to 3 years to win again.

Need I remind you that wade coached at Atlanta, New Orleans, Buffalo and Denver. Has he ever won a playoff game? NO!

Till he proves it, then like Jay Ratliff says, shut up and play.



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4. Which brings us to game 4...Cowboys-Giants.
T-RO;3117626 said:
This is the one game where perhaps you could say that Wade's team should have won, but the Cowboys continued the ineptitude which had plagued them for a decade. Was it Wade's fault? Did he somehow choke for the team, making Crayton drop that pass...causing those holding penalties. Was he responsible for Romo having to run for his life?

Let's not forget: The Cowboys lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion that day.

To prove that Wade is a choker you'd have to see a pattern where his teams significantly underperform in the playoffs. I don't see that in these four games. Three were very close. If a playmaker had stepped up in any of those 3 games, Wade could have won and moved on, deeper into the playoffs.

The way I see it: the coach's job is to put the players into a situation where they can succeed. It's the players job to seize victory.

I wish Wade wasn't a chubster. I wish he didn't squirm awkwardly on the sidelines. I wish he sounded more authoritative when he spoke. But as for the job he's paid to do: get his team into the playoffs and prepare them for success----------I think he's been outstanding.

I have you on this one too, do you realize that the 2007 Dallas Cowboys team that had one a bye, was the first team that lost in the 1st round after they had won the bye week off?Not only was Wade the head coach when the Cowboys suffered their most one-sided loss in of the Jerry era last year in Philly, but his 13-3 team became the first top-seeded NFC team to be eliminated in the first round. Overall, Wade is 0-4 as a head coach in the playoffs even though his quarterbacks were John Elway, Doug Flutie and Romo.
Enough of excuses and whining like a little poor whipped boy, calling for his mama.

Another reason why wade hasnt won and think about this very heavy. In 1965 after the cowboys got beat in the season, Tom Landry went into the locker room and opened up to the team and cried. The players all said that was when the team grew together as a team and the players got to caring for Tom Landry and the Cowboys. Then, remember that wade said, oh, a coach should be a coach and to me crying doesnt really work, except for some coaches like vermeil. So, what did good ole wade do after the 2008 season, he was a gutless coach that didnt face his players, open up and let them see how this was hurting him, and challenging the players. A real man would have faced those players! Oh sure, wade said changes need to come, but after jerry jones had crawled all over his rear end.

So, quit your whining about poor wade and let him prove that he deserves another chance next year and let him earn it.

Wade has no one to blame but himself for some of this stuff. Sure some of the former players had something to do with this, and jason garrett for poor play calling, along with some stuff jerry jones has done. etc, but like one media writer has said, wade is the head coach, if he thinks we arent running enough in the game, then tell Jason Garrett so on the sideline, not wait till after the game and say so in a press conference. The bottom line is Wade is the head coach, he signed a contract knowing what he was getting into with Jerry Jones when he became head coach of the Cowboys. He has no one to blame but himself, quit your crying to your mama for wade, and let him earn his job, not give it to him.
 
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