Looking back on the 2015 draft hurts

[HeavyBarrel]

So the Safety from Alabama turned out to be a better player from Connecticut.....Who would've thought????

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So the Safety from Alabama turned out to be a better player from Connecticut.....Who would've thought????

The better SS...he in no way shape or form is the better player between the two when it comes to FS/CB role.

 

[conner01]

Five spots after Byron Jones, another safety Landon Collins was selected. Collins is a DPOY candidate and has 6 career INTs.

In the 2nd round, three spots after Randy Gregory another DE, Frank Clark was selected. Clark has 13 career sacks.

A littler perspective is needed when we dissect the hell out of a clip of Gregory running down a RB 7 yds down the field or when we fawn over Jones' versatility. Both players are getting severely outplayed by lesser picks at their same position.

And you can do that in every draft with almost every pick

 

[AbeBeta]

Five spots after Byron Jones, another safety Landon Collins was selected. Collins is a DPOY candidate and has 6 career INTs.

In the 2nd round, three spots after Randy Gregory another DE, Frank Clark was selected. Clark has 13 career sacks.

A littler perspective is needed when we dissect the hell out of a clip of Gregory running down a RB 7 yds down the field or when we fawn over Jones' versatility. Both players are getting severely outplayed by lesser picks at their same position.

Yes. Frank Clark.

Some of the folks on this board just love domestic abusers.

 

[Zordon]

Most people saw Collins as a true SS. We needed a FS and we got a FS.

Collins was also the more refined prospect coming out. Jones went to a small college, has been great for us and keeps getting better.

I agree with your first point although prior to this year I wasn't to please with our SS play.

Jones has been good in some aspects. But a 1st rd DB needs to create more turnovers.

 

[Zordon]

Zordon have you even watched the games?? Byron may not be able to catch a cold but he is a covering/tackling machine out there!! He's our most dynamic player outside of Lee IMO. I think outside of Lee he's our most indispensable player.

Gregory was just a gamble. He seems to be very dynamic as well, he just likes to smoke weed. The next CBA they need to 86 these rules and get with society here. We are treating the Gordons and Gregorys as if they are criminals here! They got high. If they are criminals the NBA is a prison league!! Lol

Of course I watch the games man. Byron is versatile, he comes in handy when there's an injury in the backfield. He's been very good at rubbing out TEs. That being said he still gets beat time to time on the goalline and his tackling is below average.

 

[Zordon]

It is like people have Debbie Downer Syndrome right now.

This is not the first thread I have seen where someone just has to find something to be negative after we just finished the season with one of the best drafts in a long time where it appears we may have gotten a franchise RB and a Franchise QB. Where we just wrapped up the East, wrapped up home field advantage and a bye going into the playoffs but they have to find a thread and topic that is negative. Just can not help themselves.

Ironically it is not even the first thread that the same user has done that is negative like this.

Seriously sad that some just can not look at we have done this season so far and sit back and enjoy it because anything can happen going forward and there might be plenty of things and time to complain. Good Grief.

Reminds me of the scene in bad santa where Marcus tells Willie....You need many years of therapy. Many, many bleeping years of therapy.

Did you have the same comments for the dozen or so threads about 2007 the last 72 hours? If this thread brings you down then you need tougher skin. Guarantee you the organization does this type of self-evaluation all the time.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Five spots after Byron Jones, another safety Landon Collins was selected. Collins is a DPOY candidate and has 6 career INTs.

In the 2nd round, three spots after Randy Gregory another DE, Frank Clark was selected. Clark has 13 career sacks.

A littler perspective is needed when we dissect the hell out of a clip of Gregory running down a RB 7 yds down the field or when we fawn over Jones' versatility. Both players are getting severely outplayed by lesser picks at their same position.

I'm right there with you. It's so painful looking at the 2005 draft, too. We could've had Shawne Merriman and his 27 sacks, best 3-4 OLB in the league in his first two seasons, but we took that scrub DeMarcus Ware.

 

[Dale]

I think the Gregory pick will be one we look back on and rue. But with Jones, I think we landed a very solid player. All you have to do is watch one of our games on any given week, and the announcers tell you how important he is for our defense because of his coverage skills and versatility.

 

[Zordon]

This fanbase.


We can do this every single draft

That's not true. To have a superior player picked at the same position immediately after your 1st and 2nd rd pick is not common. If it happens every single draft, show proof.

 

[gmoney112]

Say whaaa? Way too early to tell.

Gregory is looking like a bust if he's suspended, but who knows with that.

Chaz has been injury prone but when he's played he looked like a solid choice.

Wilson is starting to show up.

Swaim was a decent blocker and had a rapport with Dak in camp.

Nacho showed a lot of potential.

Then theres Collins who has multiple Pro Bowl potential.

If we just hit on Jones and Collins, with Wilson being good depth we had a pretty solid draft. If Green can somehow stay healthy, Nacho and Swaim prove to be good depth, then we had a great draft. And if Gregory can stop being stupid (a big if), we had a phenomenal draft.

As it is, i think between Jones, Collins, Wilson, Nacho, and Swaim, we had a pretty good one. 2 starters and 3 depth guys is a good draft. I hate that we suck in the 2 round, but it averaged out.

 

[Doomsday]

This is basically Jones' first year as a safety in the NFL.

Not to mention he was a fairly raw player with great athleticism, he is going to get better and better.

 

[bayeslife]

Would we rather have Landon Collins? Absolutely. But Byron Jones was a very good pick for us and makes us incredibly versatile in the secondary.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Collins can't cover, he is in the box SS type player.

Jones is a cover safety, FS still learning the position. I wouldn't want Collins over Jones

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Would we rather have Landon Collins? Absolutely. But Byron Jones was a very good pick for us and makes us incredibly versatile in the secondary.

I don't want Collins over Jones, speak for yourself

 

[DC Cowboy]

Five spots after Byron Jones, another safety Landon Collins was selected. Collins is a DPOY candidate and has 6 career INTs.

In the 2nd round, three spots after Randy Gregory another DE, Frank Clark was selected. Clark has 13 career sacks.

A littler perspective is needed when we dissect the hell out of a clip of Gregory running down a RB 7 yds down the field or when we fawn over Jones' versatility. Both players are getting severely outplayed by lesser picks at their same position.

The point you failed to mention is IF a corner goes down for NYG, can Collins drop down and play corner?

Also IF, and that is a big IF at this point, Gregory could stay on the field I think he would be just as productive.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Byron Jones is so under appreciated by those who only go by the stat sheet.

 

[Zordon]

We were loaded in smash-mouth safeties. We need a ball-hawking safety like Jones. He plays the ball well in center field, and he shuts down tight ends. Byron Jones was a brilliant pick.

Randy Gregory, quite obviously, was a risk that isn't panning out at all. Chaz Green looks to have ability, can't stay on the field.

Jeff Swaim looks like a very nice pick late, and Damien Wilson is coming on strong. David Irving has replaced the Ryan Russell bust.

We were loaded with Landon Collins type safeties? Just because Church/Wilcox occasionally bring the boomstick, doesn't mean they're in the same class. That's an unfair comparison to Collins who has 5 interceptions, 5 sacks, and a touchdown this year. When was the last time a Cowboys DB had that type of impact in a season? Collins is precisely why the Giants remained competitive despite an having an anemic offense the entire season. He's a difference maker. Jones, for all his talents, isn't.

 

[erod]

We were loaded with Landon Collins type safeties? Just because Church/Wilcox occasionally bring the boomstick, doesn't mean they're in the same class. That's an unfair comparison to Collins who has 5 interceptions, 5 sacks, and a touchdown this year. When was the last time a Cowboys DB had that type of impact in a season? Collins is precisely why the Giants remained competitive despite an having an anemic offense the entire season. He's a difference maker. Jones, for all his talents, isn't.

Disagree.

Jones is a huge reason why this defense and secondary is playing above its pedigree.

 

[Proof]

Collins is having a great year no doubt. I'm sure spending 200 million dollars on defense helps that a bit.

Byron doesn't have the stats, but his impact and versatility is wildly beneficial.

He also doesn't have weird *** blue hair or act like a punk.