Looking back on the 2015 draft hurts

[Plankton]

Alabama players are overrated. Not that they don't have some great players coming out of that program, but the fact that they "played for Alabama" so just draft them is stupid. See my post earlier in this thread regarding Clemson players.

The Clemson players are only great because their head coach went to Alabama....

 

[Scotman]

I had a theory back in the draft about the Jaylon Smith pick. I have no proof, so this is pure speculation, but it is based off of various aspects of what went on after the Denver pick as well as the actions and reactions by people in the Dallas Cowboys war room.

My thinking was that they thought they were trading that pick to get back into the first round and they had their backup plan for who they wanted to draft in the second round in case the trade deal (or deals) fell through. I think what then happened was the trade deal(s) fell through and one of the teams above them and after Denver chose the backup plan player (Ogbah maybe?) and the next guy on their board was Jaylon Smith, who they probably planned to take in the third.

If I remember correctly, Stephen was on the phone right up until the last moment of their second round pick likely trying to trade down and when it fell through, they had to take the next guy on their board, which was Jaylon Smith.

That's perfectly plausible.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I've never been a fan of the pick, and I don't think I ever will be.... I hate drafting workout warriors, and the legend of Byron no hands Jones continues to grow.

I agree. But it's obvious we're a minority opinion on here. I can see why people like him bc of his versatility to play safety and corner. Natural instincts are missing which is probably why he can't sniff a turnover.

Wait, you guys seriously think Jones lacks instincts?

lol

 

[pansophy]

Five spots after Byron Jones, another safety Landon Collins was selected. Collins is a DPOY candidate and has 6 career INTs.

In the 2nd round, three spots after Randy Gregory another DE, Frank Clark was selected. Clark has 13 career sacks.

A littler perspective is needed when we dissect the hell out of a clip of Gregory running down a RB 7 yds down the field or when we fawn over Jones' versatility. Both players are getting severely outplayed by lesser picks at their same position.

Decisions under conditions of uncertainty don't look that difficult after the fact. How many teams are going *** were we thinking passing on Dak. We tried to select two QBs before we were left with him (though it sounds like Wade Wilson was a huge supporter of picking him). Regardless claiming incompetence because players picked later perform better doesn't really make much sense to me.

If you want to say that Jones should stop taking high risk/reward picks in the 2nd round then maybe you are on to something. But it also looks like Jaylon is going to be able play next year. So you know, you hit on some and lose on some.

Be happy we aren't going to have to spend a first round pick on a QB anytime soon.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Then you'd have Collins, Church, Wilcox, and Heath, and still wouldn't have a free safety on the roster.

Yes you would. You would have 3 very bad Free Safeties in Collins, Wilcox and Heath

 

[big dog cowboy]

Ironically it is not even the first thread that the same user has done that is negative like this.

Not so ironic.

 

[LocimusPrime]

We were loaded with Landon Collins type safeties? Just because Church/Wilcox occasionally bring the boomstick, doesn't mean they're in the same class. That's an unfair comparison to Collins who has 5 interceptions, 5 sacks, and a touchdown this year. When was the last time a Cowboys DB had that type of impact in a season? Collins is precisely why the Giants remained competitive despite an having an anemic offense the entire season. He's a difference maker. Jones, for all his talents, isn't.

I'd cut church and Wilcox instantly for Landon Collins. Church and Wilcox are jags and will never sniff all pro or the probowl.

Landon Collins is a great player

 

[tyke1doe]

The best part about this whole conversation is that it isn't all I have to read in January this year.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Wait, you guys seriously think Jones lacks instincts?

lol

I never used that term, but he lacks ball skills. That can't be disputed

 

[DoctorChicken]

I never used that term, but he lacks ball skills. That can't be disputed

Yes it can.

 

[KJJ]

The 2016 draft class makes up for it, could go down as our greatest draft class ever. This draft took us from 4-12 to 13-3.

 

[Zordon]

Not so ironic.

sit down.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/anthony-brown-4th-highest-pff-ranking-amongst-rookie-cbs.368562/
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/michael-irvin-shooting-new-hype-video-for-playoffs.368041/
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/keyshawn-johnsons-pre-game-interview-with-dak-zeke.367805/
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/jj-wilcox-or-barry-church-who-do-you-resign.367797/
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/pre-game-thread.367587/
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/zeke-micd-up.367409/
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/did-anybody-go-out-and-buy-merchandise-today.367401/

 

[Zordon]

Decisions under conditions of uncertainty don't look that difficult after the fact. How many teams are going *** were we thinking passing on Dak. We tried to select two QBs before we were left with him (though it sounds like Wade Wilson was a huge supporter of picking him). Regardless claiming incompetence because players picked later perform better doesn't really make much sense to me.

If you want to say that Jones should stop taking high risk/reward picks in the 2nd round then maybe you are on to something. But it also looks like Jaylon is going to be able play next year. So you know, you hit on some and lose on some.

Be happy we aren't going to have to spend a first round pick on a QB anytime soon.

I'm able to multi-task. Me looking back on 2015 and the missed opportunities to draft superior players at the same positions doesn't mean I can't also appreciate this season and the incredible '16 class.

I literally just did that with this thread a few days ago.....

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/anthony-brown-4th-highest-pff-ranking-amongst-rookie-cbs.368562/

You make a good point about the 2nd rd pick risk taking. That needs to stop. We need more stability rather than flash at this point with young studs all over the offense.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Yes it can.

lol if you say so.....

The legend continues to grow... You're not changing my mind and I am not changing yours. I was never a fan of the pick or the player, and it hasn't changed.

Good day Chicken

 

[JoeyBoy718]

As far as I recall, Collins had a disappointing rookie year and greatly improved this year. He was also viewed as more of a pure SS like other people have said. We were looking for more of a FS. And I believe Frank Clark was regarded as a 1st round talent with a lot of off the field issues, which is why he fell. So we took the wrong guy but they both had their issues.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I'm able to multi-task. Me looking back on 2015 and the missed opportunities to draft superior players at the same positions doesn't mean I can't also appreciate this season and the incredible '16 class.

I literally just did that with this thread a few days ago.....

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/anthony-brown-4th-highest-pff-ranking-amongst-rookie-cbs.368562/

You make a good point about the 2nd rd pick risk taking. That needs to stop. We need more stability rather than flash at this point with young studs all over the offense.

Why do you have to acknowledge the 2016 class or the 2016 season? The topic was about the 2015 draft class regarding Jones and Gregory. I don't understand why those other 2 topics need to be brought up in this discussion?

It's just away for other people to attack your opinion and discredit it by making it sound like you aren't happy with 2016 which is just ******* stupid. I agree with you about the 2 picks from that class

 

[Common Sense]

Frank Clark isn't even the best DE from that round of the draft. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2976560/danielle-hunter

 

[WeaponX]

Frank Clark isn't even the best DE from that round of the draft. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2976560/danielle-hunter

Frank Clark went in the 2nd, Danielle Hunter went in the 3rd. That being said, if i remember correctly we brought him in for a visit and he would be the one I'd regret us not taking since he was on the radar.

 

[Common Sense]

Frank Clark went in the 2nd, Danielle Hunter went in the 3rd. That being said, if i remember correctly we brought him in for a visit and he would be the one I'd regret us not taking since he was on the radar.

Ah, you're right. For some reason I thought they took him at the top of the third.

 

[WeaponX]

Ah, you're right. For some reason I thought they took him at the top of the third.

Close enough man, it was at the end of the 2nd so essentially the same grouping. Didn't mean to nitpick, cause I do agree with the overall sentiment. Hunter was raw and didn't pin his ears back much at LSU which hurt his stock a little, but he was/is a freak athlete and by all acounts a RKG and hard worker. I don't mind playing the 20/20 hindsight game with him vs. Clark because we were interested and he was there whereas with Clark I don't think he was on our board due to his red flags (and we'd just signed Hardy at the time).