Looking back on the 2015 draft hurts

[Common Sense]

Close enough man, it was at the end of the 2nd so essentially the same grouping. Didn't mean to nitpick, cause I do agree with the overall sentiment. Hunter was raw and didn't pin his ears back much at LSU which hurt his stock a little, but he was/is a freak athlete and by all acounts a RKG and hard worker. I don't mind playing the 20/20 hindsight game with him vs. Clark because we were interested and he was there whereas with Clark I don't think he was on our board due to his red flags (and we'd just signed Hardy at the time).

Totally agree. I'm not rueing Frank Clark at all because he's the same type of prospect as Gregory as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather take my chances on a guy like Hunter.

 

[pansophy]

Why do you have to acknowledge the 2016 class or the 2016 season? The topic was about the 2015 draft class regarding Jones and Gregory. I don't understand why those other 2 topics need to be brought up in this discussion?

It's just away for other people to attack your opinion and discredit it by making it sound like you aren't happy with 2016 which is just ******* stupid. I agree with you about the 2 picks from that class

Because to actually change the result rather than just complain about it implies that there is a generalizable rule that could be applied to improve all of our drafts. So 2016 is relevant. The fact that we continue to take high risk/reward players in the 2nd round is part of your point, whether you explicitly made it or not.

Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, Jaylon Smith were all injury related risk. Lee has missed a lot of games, but he is also All-Pro this year. If Jaylon is fully recovered he could be equally impactful. Carter showed flashes and gave us 3 years of 50 tackles.

Crawford had little experience but a lot of upside. He has been reliable, while Escobar was supposed to be a solid pick that has been blah at best.

...and Lawrence and Gregory were character risks with a lot of upside. Lawrence is doing better with it than Gregory, but obviously Lawrence isn't blemish free.

So if the rule is that 18% of a starters are from the 2nd round and most All-Pro players are from the 1st round then from our results I'm not sure where I stand on whether picking for certainty or potential is a better strategy for the 2nd round.

Sure I'd like it a lot more if Gregory had his crap together, but finding a guy that has good production who was picked after our guy isn't a point. If it was then pretty much every other team's fans should be revolting for not picking Anthony Brown.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Stop it.... Collins is still horrible in coverage.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Five spots after Byron Jones, another safety Landon Collins was selected. Collins is a DPOY candidate and has 6 career INTs.

In the 2nd round, three spots after Randy Gregory another DE, Frank Clark was selected. Clark has 13 career sacks.

A littler perspective is needed when we dissect the hell out of a clip of Gregory running down a RB 7 yds down the field or when we fawn over Jones' versatility. Both players are getting severely outplayed by lesser picks at their same position.

I'm fine with Jones over Collins. Even if it's a given that Collins is the better player, they have two completely different roles and I like what Jones brings.

What really sucks is taking Gregory over Danielle Hunter. I think the vast majority of us didn't see much in him. The production wasn't there and many thought LSU slime men were over rated, but we were wrong big time on that

 

[Manwiththeplan]

That's not true. To have a superior player picked at the same position immediately after your 1st and 2nd rd pick is not common. If it happens every single draft, show proof.

Jones and Collins don't play the same position.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Wait, you guys seriously think Jones lacks instincts?

lol

I don't think people realize how man coverage really isn't conducive to getting Interceptions. I'm not saying he's earl thomas, but you give him a good pass rush and let him play center field and he gets more than he has now

 

[xwalker]

I'm fine with Jones over Collins. Even if it's a given that Collins is the better player, they have two completely different roles and I like what Jones brings.

What really sucks is taking Gregory over Danielle Hunter. I think the vast majority of us didn't see much in him. The production wasn't there and many thought LSU slime men were over rated, but we were wrong big time on that

I liked Hunter. He went in the 3rd a few picks before the Cowboys.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I don't think people realize how man coverage really isn't conducive to getting Interceptions. I'm not saying he's earl thomas, but you give him a good pass rush and let him play center field and he gets more than he has now

Excuses he's dropped many opportunities he lacks ball skills period. He was drafted because of his workout. I hated the pick and still don't think his productions warrants a first round pick. Sorry people can dismiss "stats" all they want and talk in hypotheticals like above, but the fact is he hasn't made any impact game/field changing TOs that you'd expect from a safety. JJ Wilcox has made more game/field changing plays. The guy was a RB for goodness sakes. Sorry you can put the Byron "legend grows" Jones all you want but I'm not buying it and I won't change my stance. Just like the Gregory hype. Well thankfull we can lay that one to bed finally.

 

[Zordon]

so many excuses in here for bysoft jones.