Looks like Joey Harrington still sucks as a QB

[Kangaroo]

Dude threw two picks for td's ouch

Poor Atlanta traded away their best QB :rake:

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Dude threw two picks for td's ouch

Poor Atlanta traded away their best QB :rake:

They will make it up with Brian Brohm...

 

[kmp77]

I dont think that suprised anyone. So ATL is trying to be the biggest joke int he league, draft the pos vick and then trade away a good qb...THEN sign a scrub. Too funny.

 

[Nors]

Drew Bledsoe's agents phone will be ringing tomorrow. He is still better than 1/3 of these guys starting.

 

[Sasquatch]

It's been a long and steady fall from grace for Joey Heisman. In all fairness, though, the second pick wasn't his fault.

 

[FiniteMan!]

Dude threw two picks for td's ouch

Poor Atlanta traded away their best QB :rake:

21/32 for 199 0/2 isn't exactly stinking it up. Looking at your post, I'd have thought he must have had a "rex grossman off day" kind of game.

Throwing to big play threats like rookie WR Laurent Robinson (3-32) , 3rd year man Roddy White (4-29), and TE Alge Crumpler (4-40), from behind Atlanta's all-pro offensive line with brusing feature back Warrick Dunn (22 rushes for 55 yards) providing a fearsome rushing threat, it is shocking that that Harrington only completed 71.9% of his passes.

In case you missed it, that was sarcasm.

Aside from Crumpler --- who is a stud --- that offense is garbage. White is at best a #2 at this point. Robinson was a 3rd round pick. Dunn is an over-hyped third down back.

With the exception of those two interceptions, Harrington played not just solidly, but with an almost AIKMAN-LIKE EFFICIENCY. He spread the ball around to his receivers and completed over 70% of his passes. If they can get him to eliminate say half of his mistakes he may very well end up being their QB longterm.

 

[joseephuss]

21/32 for 199 0/2 isn't exactly stinking it up. Looking at your post, I'd have thought he must have had a "rex grossman off day" kind of game.

Throwing to big play threats like rookie WR Laurent Robinson (3-32) , 3rd year man Roddy White (4-29), and TE Alge Crumpler (4-40), from behind Atlanta's all-pro offensive line with brusing feature back Warrick Dunn (22 rushes for 55 yards) providing a fearsome rushing threat, it is shocking that that Harrington only completed 71.9% of his passes.

In case you missed it, that was sarcasm.

Aside from Crumpler --- who is a stud --- that offense is garbage. White is at best a #2 at this point. Robinson was a 3rd round pick. Dunn is an over-hyped third down back.

With the exception of those two interceptions, Harrington played not just solidly, but with an almost AIKMAN-LIKE EFFICIENCY. He spread the ball around to his receivers and completed over 70% of his passes. If they can get him to eliminate say half of his mistakes he may very well end up being their QB longterm.

You are dreaming if you think anyone will get Harrington to eliminate half of his mistakes.

21 completions in 32 pass attempts is a 65.6% completion percentage, not 70% of his passes. And that was for 199 yards which means he was throwing a bunch of short passes. Even if you do take away half of his mistakes such as one interception, he still would have a QB rating of less than 70. The guy is just not good.

 

[Mavs Man]

I had a feeling Atlanta might be a sleeper team this year. For obvious reasons their season has been written off all summer, they play in a relatively weak division in a conference with few real contenders, they have a decent defense and RB tandem, and Joey Harrington played for some dog awful (edit: unintentional pun) teams in Detroit, which skews his ability. They were ripe to be the inevitable "where did they come from?!" team by week 5 or 6.

And then came yesterday's game. Oh well... I suppose there's still time.

 

[joseephuss]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/notebook?page=lastcall07/week1


Atlanta has had its eye on Tim Rattay for a couple of years now, and it could be that the seven-year veteran finally lands on the Falcons' roster. Rattay was released by Tennessee in the cutdown to the 53-player roster limit and worked out for Falcons officials last week. The Falcons keep waiting for Oakland to sign Russell, because that might make third-year veteran Andrew Walter expendable. But Rattay might be an interesting alternative to hold down the No. 3 job.

 

[FiniteMan!]

You are dreaming if you think anyone will get Harrington to eliminate half of his mistakes.

21 completions in 32 pass attempts is a 65.6% completion percentage, not 70% of his passes. And that was for 199 yards which means he was throwing a bunch of short passes. Even if you do take away half of his mistakes such as one interception, he still would have a QB rating of less than 70. The guy is just not good.

I should have checked ESPN's math.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3531

What was Aikman's career completion percentage?

Anyway, Harrington isn't lighting it up, but he has been solid. 12/20 for 200 yards this week. No TDs no INTs. So for a week they got him to eliminate his mistakes. If one of his WRs turns into a player his yardage totals and TDs will get better.


"....Peterson had two of seven sacks on Joey Harrington, stuffed the run and helped the Jaguars rebound from a humbling season opener with a 13-7 victory over the Falcons on Sunday.

.....

Harrington played well at times, but for the second consecutive week, he got little protection and even less support from the running game. It didn't help that veteran left tackle Wayne Gandy left in the first quarter with a left hamstring injury.

Harrington was sacked six times in a 24-3 loss at Minnesota last week. He also threw two interceptions, both of them returned for touchdowns.

"We all need to play better," Harrington said. "It's not a sack issue, an O-line issue, a receiver issue. It's everybody's issue. We've got to play better. And we've got to play better at the right times. It's obviously frustrating, but one play does not win or lose a ball game."

"

 

[TobiasEagle77]

21/32 for 199 0/2 isn't exactly stinking it up. Looking at your post, I'd have thought he must have had a "rex grossman off day" kind of game.

Throwing to big play threats like rookie WR Laurent Robinson (3-32) , 3rd year man Roddy White (4-29), and TE Alge Crumpler (4-40), from behind Atlanta's all-pro offensive line with brusing feature back Warrick Dunn (22 rushes for 55 yards) providing a fearsome rushing threat, it is shocking that that Harrington only completed 71.9% of his passes.

In case you missed it, that was sarcasm.

Aside from Crumpler --- who is a stud --- that offense is garbage. White is at best a #2 at this point. Robinson was a 3rd round pick. Dunn is an over-hyped third down back.

With the exception of those two interceptions, Harrington played not just solidly, but with an almost AIKMAN-LIKE EFFICIENCY. He spread the ball around to his receivers and completed over 70% of his passes. If they can get him to eliminate say half of his mistakes he may very well end up being their QB longterm.

Thanks for the laugh

 

[joseephuss]

I should have checked ESPN's math.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3531

What was Aikman's career completion percentage?

Anyway, Harrington isn't lighting it up, but he has been solid. 12/20 for 200 yards this week. No TDs no INTs. So for a week they got him to eliminate his mistakes. If one of his WRs turns into a player his yardage totals and TDs will get better.


"....Peterson had two of seven sacks on Joey Harrington, stuffed the run and helped the Jaguars rebound from a humbling season opener with a 13-7 victory over the Falcons on Sunday.

.....

Harrington played well at times, but for the second consecutive week, he got little protection and even less support from the running game. It didn't help that veteran left tackle Wayne Gandy left in the first quarter with a left hamstring injury.

Harrington was sacked six times in a 24-3 loss at Minnesota last week. He also threw two interceptions, both of them returned for touchdowns.

"We all need to play better," Harrington said. "It's not a sack issue, an O-line issue, a receiver issue. It's everybody's issue. We've got to play better. And we've got to play better at the right times. It's obviously frustrating, but one play does not win or lose a ball game."

"

I noticed that later that the numbers given were not the correct ones. He did complete 70% for a single game.

I am not sure what Aikman's career completion percentage has to do with Harrington's for a single game. It is 61.5% by the way while Joey's is 55.5%. Troy had one season where he completed 69.1%. A whole season with a similar percentage to Joey's one game. That is amazing.

Harrington has proven over 5 seasons that he is a sub-par QB. I don't think 1 or 2 games is going to reverse that. Maybe if he plays well for a full season. Of course throwing TD passes is part of playing well and he has not done that yet. Even Vick was able to throw for TDs in Atlanta with 20 last season. Harrington's QB rating stands at 74.12 which is average at best and barely above his career rating of 68.28.

 

[AtlCB]

To be fair to the rest of the Falcons offense, both Vick and Schaub were able to be productive with that offensive line and their scrub receivers.

 

[joseephuss]

To be fair to the rest of the Falcons offense, both Vick and Schaub were able to be productive with that offensive line and their scrub receivers.

And Bobby Petrino is probably a better offensive coach than what the Falcons have had the last few seasons.

 

[FiniteMan!]

And Bobby Petrino is probably a better offensive coach than what the Falcons have had the last few seasons.

Well that is certainly one way to try and skirt around your ridiculous Harrington scouting report. Best just to take the hit. The fact is Harrington playing solid football was predicted by a number of reporters and isn't that suprising as for the most part he was pretty decent in Miami. He is a player who has grown up a lot in the last couple seasons.

23/29 223 2 TDs 0 Ints today brings him to 89 of 125 (71.2%) for 983 yards with 4 TDs and 2 INTs and a QB rating over 90. That doesn't suck.
Considering the lack of offensive talent around him and the way he got the position, he deserves a little respect. He is basically manufacturing those numbers on his own by playing withing the offensive sytem.

Now I am not saying after 4 games that he is Aikman. I am saying that he is playing very smart football like Aikman used to. There is a lot to suggest he has graduated from the very inconsistent prospect he was in Detroit who forced a lot of passes into a mature NFL QB capable of at least quality backup play and may possibly be capable of becoming a very solid efficient starting QB.

 

[FiniteMan!]

To be fair to the rest of the Falcons offense, both Vick and Schaub were able to be productive with that offensive line and their scrub receivers.

I stand by my assessment. Their OL is at best average and their receivers are poor. Their starting tailback would be a third down back on almost all of the other NFL teams. I do have a ton of love to Algae Crumpler though. That guy is a beast.

Your point is fair, but I'd argue makes my point. Schaub was acquired for a first round pick and has been very impressive in Houston, suggesting he may have been worth it (Perhaps he had a good deal more to do with his success in Atlanta by making correct passing decisions than the talent around him.) He's a good NFL starter, IMO. I don't disagree with the idea that Schaub is a little better than Harrington today, but I think if Harrington can hang on to the starting job this year with say a QB rating of 85 or better, he could end up having the better career. Unlike Schaub, Harrington has faced NFL failure and heavy criticism already and hasn't totally crumbled under the weight of it. Going through that can really help toughen a QB long term. (Did for Aikman.) I'd say Schaub and Harrington are similar talents who succeeded/are succceeding in Atlanta inspite of the talent around them because they are good students who understood/understand the offense and how to play within it's confines.

Vick on the other hand may have been the most talented QB to ever play in th NFL. He certainly is the most talented to play in the 30 + years I have been watching. That said, his best season by far was what---his second season? As he was given more freedom and responsibility he never spent the time to tighten up his game and work to eliminate his mistakes. But I am not here to jump on vick. Vick had the ability to make big plays as a runner, so the team spent more on other areas than adding costly threats after the one WR from Buffalo bombed out.

I think Atlanta's management built this offense around the idea that vick would add 600-1000 yards rushing each year, score a bunch of TDs, and would be able to avoid the rush (The last, something history did not support. Inspite of his incredible elusiveness as a runner, unlike Romo, young, or montana, Vick didn't have the feel to make the small move to buy a second to complete a pass.). They didn't build the team with a QB with average mobility and elusiveness in mind. They didn't build this team with the idea that their running backs would need to total 2000 yards in a season on the ground.