Louis Riddick - Cowboys take Zeke

[ConceptCoop]

So, paying a QB @4 around $24M the 4-5 years TO SIT ON THE BENCH is a bargain? That is pure stupidity.

Beat that strawman!

 

[Sydla]

So, paying a QB @4 around $24M the 4-5 years TO SIT ON THE BENCH is a bargain? That is pure stupidity.

LOL.

Geezus.

 

[Idgit]

Where would you be at with this pick? Lol

@BrAinPaiNt
@Idgit

Elliott? I'd absolutely hate it from a tactical standpoint. It'd be a waste of resources as we can get very similar value from a mid-rounder.

As a fan, I'd live with it. As RBs go, he's a really good player. It'd be fun to watch, and it'd make CZ pretty happy in general, I think. But I want the QB or the defender. At this point, Bosa would be a win as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So, paying a QB @4 around $24M the 4-5 years TO SIT ON THE BENCH is a bargain? That is pure stupidity.

I understand you are making an argument against the other posters point so I understand that.

With that said...If you have a future Franchise player sitting on the bench before he becomes the starter and he turns out to be the Franchise player you hope him to be for the future of your team....yes, it is worth it.

 

[slick325]

RB doesn't have the value over replacement, shelf life, durability or impact to justify this investment in today's NFL. You're investing the most valuable liquid asset we've had in well over a decade, and on top of that, you're making him one of the higher paid at the position on day one. Paying that money to a QB, LT, CB, or DL is a bargain. Paying it at RB is not.

And next years draft is loaded at RB. Chubb and Fournette are better than Elliot. In addition to them, you have Cook, Perine, Freeman, Mcaffery... We can get our RB of the future in the 2nd next year. Don't waste the #4.

I think the narrative is changing. Dallas was right in letting Murray walk but wrong in what they believed the market for him would be that offseason. Fact is, look at the money Lamar Miller (who isn't an annual 1000yd. rusher) received, the League has underestimated the RB market. Along with Tunsil, Elliott has the least weaknesses of ANY player in this entire draft. His biggest weakness is the fact that people believe that the position he plays is an issue. Laughable when you hear Stephen Jones say otherwise yesterday.

Your point regarding next year's draft stresses how many will likely go in round 1 next year and how the RBBC philosophy is no longer being used by successful college programs. The feature back is en vogue in College football again and the League will as always follow the trend. Just as it followed the trend of RBBC when the College Coaches were doing that...

I have heard QB and DE being positions that set a franchise back if a team misses in the 1st on them or misses on a high 1st on them. Never heard a RB in that equation.

What would not be a wasted pick at #4 to you ConceptCoop? Now...answer that question IF the draft falls: 1) Rams-Goff; 2) Browns-Wentz; and 3) Chargers-Ramsey...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I like Riddick, but it would be a dumb pick at #4.





YR

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't think you can just plug and play any RB into this system and expect it to be as dynamic as Murray was or what Zeke would bring.

McFadden had a great year, for him, but he stayed healthy for I think only the second time in his career. We brought in other guys to make a difference and they made no difference IMO last year.

Maybe Morris makes a big difference this year...Maybe a healthy Romo and Dez makes a difference with McFadden this year...but if they can make a difference with this line I can only imagine what someone of Zekes caliber and ability could do for this team because I think he is far and away a better player than either of the guys we have on the team right now.

I think we are trying to make our team better in this draft. I think there are a multitude of ways to do so...I think Zeke might be the best immediate, and if he stays healthy, possibly long term impact because when we finally do get a young QB who needs to play they will have a good Oline, Good WR and Good RB in place.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So, paying a QB @4 around $24M the 4-5 years TO SIT ON THE BENCH is a bargain? That is pure stupidity.

It depends on how you view this I think. If it's a long term approach and you are trying to secure the future of the Franchise then yes. However, if you are in the win now mod, then it might not be viewed as such. The other thing is that I am not sure you can say that it will be 4 or 5 years on the bench. It might not even be a full season the way things have been going these past three seasons.

 

[morasp]

If Tunsil is there, they need to take a hard look at trading back, a lot of teams need a left tackle

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I threw up in my mouth a little just now.

 

[Sydla]

I think the narrative is changing. Dallas was right in letting Murray walk but wrong in what they believed the market for him would be that offseason. Fact is, look at the money Lamar Miller (who isn't an annual 1000yd. rusher) received, the League has underestimated the RB market. Along with Tunsil, Elliott has the least weaknesses of ANY player in this entire draft. His biggest weakness is the fact that people believe that the position he plays is an issue. Laughable when you hear Stephen Jones say otherwise yesterday.

Your point regarding next year's draft stresses how many will likely go in round 1 next year and how the RBBC philosophy is no longer being used by successful college programs. The feature back is en vogue in College football again and the League will as always follow the trend. Just as it followed the trend of RBBC when the College Coaches were doing that...

I have heard QB and DE being positions that set a franchise back if a team misses in the 1st on them or misses on a high 1st on them. Never heard a RB in that equation.

What would not be a wasted pick at #4 to you ConceptCoop? Now...answer that question IF the draft falls: 1) Rams-Goff; 2) Browns-Wentz; and 3) Chargers-Ramsey...

Miller got a reasonable contract. Only $14MM in guaranteed money and the Texans can bow out after two years with a minimal dead money hit of around $2MM in 2018.

You draft Elliott at 4 and he becomes the 8th highest paid TB, I believe, in the league this season and has the most guaranteed money of any TB, by far.

I don't think the narrative is changing at all.

 

[AKATheRake]

I see Erik Williams in Laremy Tunsil. That's why he should be the pick if he' there.

I do see Emmitt in Zeke too though.

 

[Teague31]

Would love to trade down but if not and our choices are bosa (not an elite DE), Ramsey (no ball skills) or Zeke, give me Zeke all day long

 

[Sydla]

I don't think you can just plug and play any RB into this system and expect it to be as dynamic as Murray was or what Zeke would bring.

McFadden had a great year, for him, but he stayed healthy for I think only the second time in his career. We brought in other guys to make a difference and they made no difference IMO last year.

Maybe Morris makes a big difference this year...Maybe a healthy Romo and Dez makes a difference with McFadden this year...but if they can make a difference with this line I can only imagine what someone of Zekes caliber and ability could do for this team because I think he is far and away a better player than either of the guys we have on the team right now.

I think we are trying to make our team better in this draft. I think there are a multitude of ways to do so...I think Zeke might be the best immediate, and if he stays healthy, possibly long term impact because when we finally do get a young QB who needs to play they will have a good Oline, Good WR and Good RB in place.

I totally disagree. We just proved you can kind of plug and play into this system. They took a washed up bum in McFadden and turned him into a 1,000 yard rusher in roughly 12 games and did so WITHOUT any real QB or WR play. If Romo and Bryant are healthy, and McFadden played a full 16 games, you are talking about a TB who might have had 1,500 yards. How much more do you think Elliott is going to do as rookie? 2,000 yards?

That's not so say Elliott is the same as McFadden. He's probably more talented at this point but I think the increase in production from going from one to the other isn't as great as some think, especially when you factor in the cost both financially and in terms of being able to possibly fill an even bigger need.

PS - I do agree that health with McFadden is a big issue. But I think Morris mitigates that a bit and if the Cowboys take a TB in the 3rd or 4th round, they should be OK.

 

[AKATheRake]

I think we got RB in the mid rounds. Zeke is all smokescreen.

If we can trade down and get Zeke than I'm all for it.

 

[reddyuta]

I still refuse to believe they would draft Zeke at 4.I can see it in a trade down situation but not at 4.our D is decimated and talentless, our LBs and CBs are injury prone.the best way to help Romo is to give him a better defense.

 

[slick325]

Miller got a reasonable contract. Only $14MM in guaranteed money and the Texans can bow out after two years with a minimal dead money hit of around $2MM in 2018.

You draft Elliott at 4 and he becomes the 8th highest paid TB, I believe, in the league this season and has the most guaranteed money of any TB, by far.

I don't think the narrative is changing at all.

At Miller's age, the likelihood is he sees every cent of that contract should he not get injured Sydia. He is 24yrs old. He will also get another deal when he is done with that deal in 4yrs due to only being 28 at that time.

 

[Sydla]

I still refuse to believe they would draft Zeke at 4.I can see it in a trade down situation but not at 4.our D is decimated and talentless, our LBs and CBs are injury prone.the best way to help Romo is to give him a better defense.

If it's Garrett that's pushing for Elliott, I really wonder if Jerry caves and gives him what he wants. Jerry isn't deaf. He's heard the whispers that Garrett is simply not a good coach, that he's mediocre, that it was embarrassing they were so inept when Romo was out, etc. Does Jerry then throw his head coach a bone and give him the player Garrett believes is what is needed to get him to the top?

 

[ConceptCoop]

I think the narrative is changing. Dallas was right in letting Murray walk but wrong in what they believed the market for him would be that offseason. Fact is, look at the money Lamar Miller (who isn't an annual 1000yd. rusher) received, the League has underestimated the RB market. Along with Tunsil, Elliott has the least weaknesses of ANY player in this entire draft. His biggest weakness is the fact that people believe that the position he plays is an issue. Laughable when you hear Stephen Jones say otherwise yesterday.

Your point regarding next year's draft stresses how many will likely go in round 1 next year and how the RBBC philosophy is no longer being used by successful college programs. The feature back is en vogue in College football again and the League will as always follow the trend. Just as it followed the trend of RBBC when the College Coaches were doing that...

I have heard QB and DE being positions that set a franchise back if a team misses in the 1st on them or misses on a high 1st on them. Never heard a RB in that equation.

What would not be a wasted pick at #4 to you ConceptCoop? Now...answer that question IF the draft falls: 1) Rams-Goff; 2) Browns-Wentz; and 3) Chargers-Ramsey...

Is the RBBC philosophy changing? Chubb had Michelle, Perine shared carries, Freeman had Tyner and others, Bama leaned in Henry, but was always RBBC to that point. I don't see the trend changing, I just see one of the strongest RB classes ever leading some teams to lean on one guy.

But college is fundamentally differentl. What does Saban care if Henry breaks down in 5 years, so long as he gets his rings?

You bring up a good point about Murray not being worth he contract. We're locked into a second contract with Elliot if we invest a top 5 pick on him. Overpaying for other positions is one thing, but doing so on a RB is very different. But we can't decide he's worth the 4th pick, but not worth a massive second contract (coming a year after Gurley sets the market). That should be a scary thought.

Lamar Miller made good money. Absolutely nothing compared to the top DLs and CBs. The trend is still clear: RBs get a small fraction of what positions with a longer, more durable shelf life do.

I'm not a scout. I have my opinions on players, but try not to take them too seriously. But to answer your question: I want to trade down. If we don't, I don't think Ramsey or Bosa are a waste. I don't love the idea of drafting Tunsil to play RT, but I think that's better than going RB. I don't like Goff or Wentz enough to pick them at 4, but I think that's a better move than Elliot. Honestly, I think Hargraeves is as safe as Elliot and would take him over Zeke. Hargraeves isn't as good a CB as Zeke is a RB, but again, look at the money Jenkins got compared to Martin or Miller. I think Hargraeves is a safe bet to a better player than Jenkins, with potential to be much, much better. I'm a big Gator fan and loved both guys, but VH3 was on another level - as one of the best DBs in the nation as a true freshman.

I'm rambling. But bottom line: I think there is far too much going against the RB position to justify the pick on Elliot. Fournette if he makes another leap - maybe. Peterson at the time - maybe. Gurley without the injury issues - maybe. But not Zeke, despite him being an absolute stud.

 

[Sydla]

At Miller's age, the likelihood is he sees every cent of that contract should he not get injured Sydia. He is 24yrs old. He will also get another deal when he is done with that deal in 4yrs due to only being 28 at that time.

So what?

Fact is the contract is a very reasonable contract for a TB that gives the team the ability to walk away with minimal pain if he gets hurt, worn down, etc.

You seem to be acting like Miller's contract is some massive contract that tips the scales back into teams overpaying for TBs. That's not true at all.