Louis Riddick - Cowboys take Zeke

[garyv]

I think the thing about him that's special over other backs coming out he can run, receive and block which most can't. He will allow
them to control the clock again something they did not do last year. If I felt comfortable that Alfred Morris could feel that need than no to Zeek

But honestly Ramsey has been my choice all along

 

[ConceptCoop]

I think the thing about him that's special over other backs coming out he can run, receive and block which most can't. He will allow
them to control the clock again something they did not do last year. If I felt comfortable that Alfred Morris could feel that need than no to Zeek

There are multiple well-rounded RBs in this draft. McFadden is a good blocker and reciever out of the backfield.

Never mind how anyone feels about him being worth the pick - him being well-rounded shouldn't move the needle much. Being well rounded at the RB spot is not as valuable as it once was, and doesn't make one special.

 

[garyv]

Well we might pick Bosa anyway because little bit ago Demarcus Lawrence DE will be suspended 4 games
to start the season. Failed Drug Test.

 

[tyke1doe]

The other backs are/were better prospects, imo. It takes more than being a stud to justify a top 5 pick at RB, imo.

So what would it take than being a study running back? Are you supposed to be a stud player to be taken in the top of the draft?

I don't think RBs are in general. That doesn't mean I'm going to cling to that as gospel and not question it when very special players come along. That list for me is Adrian Peterson, to this point, since I've been following the draft this closely. Gurley looked to have that promise, but had too much injury risk. Fournette looks like he could at this point in the process too, but needs another strong year. That's it - 1x yes, 1x would have been, and 1x might be - in over a decade. I know I can't can't confirm this as I wasn't posting here, but I was against Richardson being a top 5 pick at the time as well. I'd add Bush to the list, as I did think he was going to be worth a top 5 pick, but I expected a lot of his value to come outside of the traditional RB role.

Do you think another team would have drafted Emmitt Smith if they knew what we do now about his ability, talent and career?

Second, I can understand the value argument, i.e., that you shouldn't take a running back at the top of the draft because running backs are a dime a dozen and you can get a good one lower. But I don't understand the difference in drafting an Adrian Peterson or a Todd Gurley and an Ezekiel Elliott. Okay, maybe AP does have better speed than AP, but EE has a better job of holding onto the ball than AP did. And EE is a better overall back than Gurley.

I don't know if the differences are all that much to say, "Well, we should draft AP and Gurley in the top 5 but not Elliott." If there are differences, they're really negligible as far as what they do on the field.

EE has shown he is capable of breaking long runs to the house. He's shown he can run between the tackles. He's shown that he can hold on to the football. He has shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield and he has shown he can block and protect the quarterback.

He has shown he can do everything you need a top back the caliber of Adrian Peterson and a healthy Todd Gurley can do. Again, if there are any differences, they're negligible.

 

[ConceptCoop]

So what would it take than being a study running back? Are you supposed to be a stud player to be taken in the top of the draft?

He has shown he can do everything you need a top back the caliber of Adrian Peterson and a healthy Todd Gurley can do. Again, if there are any differences, they're negligible.

I already gave you my criteria for a RB in the top 5. Be special on the level of Adrian Peterson. You think Elliot is; I think that's silly. But that's why we're not going to agree.

 

[tyke1doe]

I already gave you my criteria for a RB in the top 5. Be special on the level of Adrian Peterson. You think Elliot is; I think that's silly. But that's why we're not going to agree.

With all due respect, that doesn't tell me anything. But we can agree to disagree.

 

[ConceptCoop]

With all due respect, that doesn't tell me anything. But we can agree to disagree.

I guess I don't get what you're asking then. If you're asking me to grade and compare specific attributes, I'm just not interested in doing that. I think Peterson was a better prospect and that's what it comes down to.

 

[Common Sense]

But there's a reason why RBs are paid the way they are. It's not random correlation.

And while it's not the be-all end-all, contract should certainly play a part. Having a top LT, DE, CB or QB on a top 5 rookie contract can be a major plus. Not so much at RB.

I'be careful not to fall for the whole "rational market" fallacy, especially when you've got a bunch of football guys in charge. It could just be that free agent RB contracts are currently undervalued, just like that one quirky year when Seattle hauled in Avril and Bennett. Or maybe there's something about Lamar Miller that we don't know and without it he would have commanded something closer to Murray money.

Having said that, I'd still prefer to trade down than take Elliot at #4, but if I got stuck there and had to make a pick, he has to be in the conversation. There's a good chance that there are only a couple of players in the entire draft who wouldn't be overpaid and overdrafted in the top 5 and they might be gone, simply because it's a pretty weak class at the top.

 

[jday]

If Wentz or Goff is still there...I think you take the QB if you feel he is a franchise Player.

If they are not I take Zeke over Bosa, Buckner, Ramsey or Tunsil.

I think of all of the players Zeke offers the most immediate impact of the players.

So I would have no problem what so ever if we took Zeke.

After hours and hours of running in circles with some of the know-it-alls in the zone, it's nice to see a voice of reason.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

After hours and hours of running in circles with some of the know-it-alls in the zone, it's nice to see a voice of reason.

Today I have been called...Sheep, lemming, only defending the team...and now voice of reason. Quite the range.

 

[ConceptCoop]

I'be careful not to fall for the whole "rational market" fallacy, especially when you've got a bunch of football guys in charge. It could just be that free agent RB contracts are currently undervalued, just like that one quirky year when Seattle hauled in Avril and Bennett. Or maybe there's something about Lamar Miller that we don't know and without it he would have commanded something closer to Murray money.

Having said that, I'd still prefer to trade down than take Elliot at #4, but if I got stuck there and had to make a pick, he has to be in the conversation. There's a good chance that there are only a couple of players in the entire draft who wouldn't be overpaid and overdrafted in the top 5 and they might be gone, simply because it's a pretty weak class at the top.

The league is passing on 65% of downs; they're using more RB and leaning on single guys less; they're throwing in the redzone more; there are 3+ WRs on the field more often than not. It's not just the market; utilization is changing too.

If we thought the market was being irrational in devaluing the RB, then we should have invested in a solution prior to the draft.

 

[Common Sense]

The league is passing on 65% of downs; they're using more RB and leaning on single guys less; they're throwing in the redzone more; there are 3+ WRs on the field more often than not. It's not just the market; utilization is changing too.

If we thought the market was being irrational in devaluing the RB, then we should have invested in a solution prior to the draft.

You're forgetting that RBs are still on the field in passing situations. I'll agree that 4+ YPC has been devalued, but there's a lot more to the position than that, and those skills are much harder to find. If you have one guy who can do it all, it's a lot easier to disguise what you're going to do on offense than with a RBBC approach, where you might have the pass blocking guy, the pass catching guy, the short yardage guy, etc.

Again, I'd rather trade down in the draft and see what's there than take Elliot at #4, but I don't believe in the demise of the NFL running back as much as some.

 

[ConceptCoop]

You're forgetting that RBs are still on the field in passing situations. I'll agree that 4+ YPC has been devalued, but there's a lot more to the position than that, and those skills are much harder to find. If you have one guy who can do it all, it's a lot easier to disguise what you're going to do on offense than with a RBBC approach, where you might have the pass blocking guy, the pass catching guy, the short yardage guy, etc.

Again, I'd rather trade down in the draft and see what's there than take Elliot at #4, but I don't believe in the demise of the NFL running back as much as some.

Dion Lewis and Daren Sproles are bigger threats on passing downs than Zeke Elliot (or Gurley, Peterson, etc). You don't need a high end, 3 down RB to get production from RBs in the passing game. And you don't need them to disguise what you're doing. Again, Darren McFadden can do that.

I think we do disagree. I look at what NE was able to do with Lewis/Blount/White - and think that should be the trend. Every year young, late round picks are putting up big numbers at the RB spot. If you have a good line and find guys who fit your scheme, you don't need to spend premium investments to get good production.

 

[ctrous25]

I'm all for Zeke then Joseph wvu...... Could Ogbah make it to the 3rd round? If so, then we addressed the pass rush situation.. kinda

 

[The Natural]

Signing 25 year old Lamar Miller and attacking the defense with the first 2 picks (or trading down and getting even more picks for defense) would've been the wisest choice. But like everything with this franchise, they want to do it the hard (cheap) way.

 

[waving monkey]

Zeek keeps defense on the sideline

 

[vicjagger]

... let's note that this draft isn't a one round draft where you pack up after the 4th pick and get ready for the season...

Unless you're the Eagles!

 

[Sydla]

Zeek keeps defense on the sideline

LOL.