LT shows Emmitt's rushing record may be one of sports' latest unbreakable records...

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This came across my mind watching LT in Week 1. He's clearly lost several steps at 30 years old, and apparently has been relegated to committee back with Sproles. He's still 7,000 yards behind Emmitt. It's hard to imagine a runningback having a more dominating 7 year span of production in their prime years than LT did from 2002 to 2008 ... and he's still only at 60% of the yards needed to catch Emmitt.

Every year defenders get bigger, faster and stronger, and consequently runningbacks careers will get shorter and shorter. RB by committee is getting more and more popular as teams try to limit the abuse their runningbacks take, and utilize the opportunity to put more specialized players and packages on the field. With all these trends it makes me think Emmitt's record may be to runningbacks what Cy Youngs win record is to baseball pitchers. The right player at the right time in the right era of the sport that will never appear again.
 

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InmanRoshi;2943661 said:
It's hard to imagine a runningback having a more dominating 7 year span of production in their prime years than LT did from 2002 to 2008 ...

Not too hard.....Barry Sanders from 1991-1997.....and he had much more yards than LT

But I agree, Emmitt's record is far beyond what any back will reach again. Durability is what Emmitt had down to an artform. As well as no one else to share carries and a probowl OL. A Cy Young type award would be sweet to start up one day!
 

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InmanRoshi;2943661 said:
This came across my mind watching LT in Week 1. He's clearly lost several steps at 30 years old, and apparently has been relegated to committee back with Sproles. He's still 7,000 yards behind Emmitt. It's hard to imagine a runningback having a more dominating 7 year span of production in their prime years than LT did from 2002 to 2008 ... and he's still only at 60% of the yards needed to catch Emmitt.

Every year defenders get bigger, faster and stronger, and consequently runningbacks careers will get shorter and shorter. RB by committee is getting more and more popular as teams try to limit the abuse their runningbacks take, and utilize the opportunity to put more specialized players and packages on the field. With all these trends it makes me think Emmitt's record may be to runningbacks what Cy Youngs win record is to baseball pitchers. The right player at the right time in the right era of the sport that will never appear again.
I agree, but it didn't hurt that Smith tacked on a few more yards onto his totals as a Cardinal either. Not that I blame him, mind you. He proven some of his earlier detractors wrong who stated or implied that going to Arizona would 1) sully his career, 2) prevent or lessen his retirement as a Cowboy and 3) make a mockery of his Hall of Fame induction.

As far as Tomlinson is concerned, I feel for him a bit, but he made many of his yards running north and south into the teeth of defenses. He has always had the heart of a lion, but his body's going the way of Mufasa. He can take solace in the fact that he will still go down as one of the best running backs which the NFL has ever seen.
 

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InmanRoshi;2943661 said:
This came across my mind watching LT in Week 1. He's clearly lost several steps at 30 years old, and apparently has been relegated to committee back with Sproles. He's still 7,000 yards behind Emmitt. It's hard to imagine a runningback having a more dominating 7 year span of production in their prime years than LT did from 2002 to 2008 ... and he's still only at 60% of the yards needed to catch Emmitt.

Every year defenders get bigger, faster and stronger, and consequently runningbacks careers will get shorter and shorter. RB by committee is getting more and more popular as teams try to limit the abuse their runningbacks take, and utilize the opportunity to put more specialized players and packages on the field. With all these trends it makes me think Emmitt's record may be to runningbacks what Cy Youngs win record is to baseball pitchers. The right player at the right time in the right era of the sport that will never appear again.

I was just talking about this yesterday on the commute home. LT looked like he was not only going to break Emmitt's record, but smash it. Then, something happen in 2007 and he just didn't quite look right at the end of the season. Then in 2008 he clearly wasn't the same player he had always been. He lacks that extreme explosiveness he had. That injury he suffered in 2007 was the beginning of the end for him.
 

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InmanRoshi;2943661 said:
This came across my mind watching LT in Week 1. He's clearly lost several steps at 30 years old, and apparently has been relegated to committee back with Sproles. He's still 7,000 yards behind Emmitt. It's hard to imagine a runningback having a more dominating 7 year span of production in their prime years than LT did from 2002 to 2008 ... and he's still only at 60% of the yards needed to catch Emmitt.

Every year defenders get bigger, faster and stronger, and consequently runningbacks careers will get shorter and shorter. RB by committee is getting more and more popular as teams try to limit the abuse their runningbacks take, and utilize the opportunity to put more specialized players and packages on the field. With all these trends it makes me think Emmitt's record may be to runningbacks what Cy Youngs win record is to baseball pitchers. The right player at the right time in the right era of the sport that will never appear again.

I've been saying it all along, Emmitt's record will last longer than any other RB that has held it, even Jim Brown.

It requires a unique mixture of stuff, much of which is completely out of the hands of the player himself, to accomplish that feat:

For the player:

1. Talent - the RB obviously has to be good enough to gain a lot of yards.

2. Durability - the RB cannot miss a lot of games.

3. Longevity - the RB has to play a long time.

4. Consistency - the RB has to be good year after year.

5. Age Well - The player has to be able to produce even after he is 31 years old, that seems to be the mark when they fall of considerably.

6. Conditioning - I decided to add this because it came to me that Emmitt's success was due in large part to his conditioning coaches and chiropractors that kept him flexible and in shape.


For the team:

1. Contenders - the Team has to be a contender year after year.

2. Commitment to the run - the Team has to be committed to the run and not be a pass-happy offense.

3. Feature-back offense - a player in a RB-by-committee system isn't going to break this record.

4. Consistency - the team has to be consistently good game after game, year after year. If they are playing from behind a lot then they will run the ball less often.

5. Coaching - you good Coaching to break this record, both from the HC and from the position coaches.

6. Blocking - the Team must have a great O-Line and lead blockers for the RB to consistently gain yards.


For both:

1. Lucky - both the RB and the Team need to be lucky and win games they maybe shouldn't have.

2. Dedication - both the player and the team need to want to get that record and be willing to do whatever is necessary, without jeopardizing the team goals, to get it.


There are probably other factors but those are the main ones. To get ALL of those factors in place and keep them there for 14+ years is the trick and what will be the downfall of every RB who sets this record as his goal.

Adrian Peterson is the latest hopeful but he will fall far short before too long. Tomlinson looked like he might have a shot since he had a lot of those factors in place but at 30 he is slowing down and it doesn't appear that he will have the longevity required to make it.

When people debate who the greatest RB of all-time was, Emmitt has proven that it was him. He wasn't the best runner, but he is the greatest RB ever.
 

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Not that I think he'll end up breaking Emmitt's record or anything, but keep an eye on Clinton Portis. Even before LT fell off, I always thought Portis would have the best shot at Emmitt's 18,355 mark.

Portis turned 28 this month, and is coming off of a 1487 yard season. For his career (not counting the 62 he gained Sunday), he has 9202 yards... 9153 away from Emmitt.

Now let's suppose Portis stays healthy this year and next year, and averages 1400 per year.

That means that at age 30, he would enter the 2011 season with 12,002 rush yards... leaving him 6,353 yards away.

Still would need a whole lot, and I don't think he'll come close, but I believe his odds are better than LT's.
 

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When RBs approach 30 the tread starts wearing off quickly. Emmitt and Marcus Allen were two who played well into their 30's but even they dropped off.
 

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Nav22;2943723 said:
Not that I think he'll end up breaking Emmitt's record or anything, but keep an eye on Clinton Portis. Even before LT fell off, I always thought Portis would have the best shot at Emmitt's 18,355 mark.

Portis turned 28 this month, and is coming off of a 1487 yard season. For his career (not counting the 62 he gained Sunday), he has 9202 yards... 9153 away from Emmitt.

Now let's suppose Portis stays healthy this year and next year, and averages 1400 per year.

That means that at age 30, he would enter the 2011 season with 12,002 rush yards... leaving him 6,353 yards away.

Still would need a whole lot, and I don't think he'll come close, but I believe his odds are better than LT's.

Lots of guys look good until they hit 31. Let's see where he is then.
 

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Hostile;2943730 said:
When RBs approach 30 the tread starts wearing off quickly. Emmitt and Marcus Allen were two who played well into their 30's but even they dropped off.

Curtis Martin looked like he would have a very good shot at it.
 

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Nav22;2943723 said:
Not that I think he'll end up breaking Emmitt's record or anything, but keep an eye on Clinton Portis. Even before LT fell off, I always thought Portis would have the best shot at Emmitt's 18,355 mark.

Portis turned 28 this month, and is coming off of a 1487 yard season. For his career (not counting the 62 he gained Sunday), he has 9202 yards... 9153 away from Emmitt.

Now let's suppose Portis stays healthy this year and next year, and averages 1400 per year.

That means that at age 30, he would enter the 2011 season with 12,002 rush yards... leaving him 6,353 yards away.

Still would need a whole lot, and I don't think he'll come close, but I believe his odds are better than LT's.

Coming into this his 8th season Portis had 9202 yards rushing. At the same point in his career Emmitt had 10,160 yards rushing. Portis will not only have to match what Emmitt did over the rest of his career, but he will also have to make up those 958 yards he is currently trailing.
 

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"Emmitt only got that record because of the OLINES he played behind."


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Every Cowboy hater in the world..................
 

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THUMPER;2943686 said:
When people debate who the greatest RB of all-time was, Emmitt has proven that it was him. He wasn't the best runner, but he is the greatest RB ever.
This thread is boring.

Walter Payton was a better runningback and if Barry Sanders gave a crap about the record he'd have it.

Now this thread should be better.:D
 

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newlander;2943757 said:
"Emmitt only got that record because of the OLINES he played behind."


sincerely,

Every Cowboy hater in the world..................

And my logical response to that is "why aren't any of those linemen in the hall of fame?"
 

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jimmy40;2943777 said:
This thread is boring.

Walter Payton was a better runningback and if Barry Sanders gave a crap about the record he'd have it.

Now this thread should be better.:D

To me Walter was the better running back. I love me some Emmitt, but I just think Payton has the slight edge. And I do mean slight. It is not as if any one back is head and shoulders above another back when it comes to laying claim as the best. In my opinion, Walter was a slightly better receiver and that is why I give him the edge. Both guys had tremendous heart, good vision, ran tough and ran smart. Both were tremendous in picking up the blitz. You can't go wrong with either guy. They are so similar it is scary.
 

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Emmitt Smith IMO, hands down the best RB to ever play the game. Since being drafted, he was too slow, too small. He silenced all the critics. If his record gets broken, so be it. I don't think it will. Players nowadays don't have the same heart as the players back when Emmitt played and so on.


LT, to me, is a good RB but let's his team down when they need him most. Hasn't been the last two years he has sat out when the season was on the line? A playoff victory? He is sitting while Rivers has a severely sprained knee, maybe torn ligaments. Hobbling around there on one leg, but, LT sat. That's no heart right there.

Loved Walter Payton
Brown was LB playin at the running back position, course he was good, he bigger then everyone else. LOL

Sanders? QUITTER and deserves NOTHING.
 

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Hostile;2943730 said:
When RBs approach 30 the tread starts wearing off quickly. Emmitt and Marcus Allen were two who played well into their 30's but even they dropped off.

Exactly.

LT's drop-off was expected.
 

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Nav22;2943723 said:
Not that I think he'll end up breaking Emmitt's record or anything, but keep an eye on Clinton Portis. Even before LT fell off, I always thought Portis would have the best shot at Emmitt's 18,355 mark.

Portis turned 28 this month, and is coming off of a 1487 yard season. For his career (not counting the 62 he gained Sunday), he has 9202 yards... 9153 away from Emmitt.

Now let's suppose Portis stays healthy this year and next year, and averages 1400 per year.

That means that at age 30, he would enter the 2011 season with 12,002 rush yards... leaving him 6,353 yards away.

Still would need a whole lot, and I don't think he'll come close, but I believe his odds are better than LT's.

Portis has clearly lost a step or two.

He's not old, but he's carried a heavy workload in his years with the Commanders and it's starting to show.

He doesn't have the burst or the top end speed that he once did.
 

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And LT had been worked pretty hard with all his touches in the passing game. There are just so many plays in any RB and once you reach the tipping point the fall off is quick. That was another thing about emmitt- his decline was very slow and gradual. It was not really untill about 2000 that you could really see it. Another way he was like Payton- he also had a slow decline but was still very effective right until the end.
 

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ArmyCowboy;2943859 said:
Portis has clearly lost a step or two.

He's not old, but he's carried a heavy workload in his years with the Commanders and it's starting to show.

He doesn't have the burst or the top end speed that he once did.

yeah, i had portis on my ff team last year. He was a workhorse, but he just couldnt break a long run in the open field anymore (longest run was 29 yards for the year). He also seriously wore down as the season went along. He has a violent running style and he's certifiably insane the way he throws himself into pass blocking. I would be shocked if he's anything more than a platoon back in 2 years.
 
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