LT talks 'NFL Top Ten RB' on Irvin Show - 6/12/08

[dcfanatic]

LT on Irvin Show

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LT is in the top ten of all time for sure, but is he in the top five of all time?

My top ten of all time.

1. Emmitt - Biased and proud of it.
2. Jim Brown - Just too big and strong not to be right behind Emmitt.
3. Payton - Ran with more heart than any RB I have ever seen.
4. Sayers - If he played today he would still be running for 80 yard TD's on a regular basis.
5. Sanders - Love him because of the numerous spectacular runs, but the negative runs turned me off a little.
6. Faulk - He had it all. Good size, speed and the vision, plus he was 'football smart'.
7. OJ - How can he not be in the top ten?
8. Eric Dickerson - He just looked so smooth running the football.
9. Tony Dorsett - The man was electric and every time he took the rock I expcted a TD.
10. LT - He just makes it into my top ten.

I just threw this list together so if I missed a huge name excuse me.

 

[AdamJT13]

4. Sayers - If he played today he would still be running for 80 yard TD's on a regular basis.

Except he never did it even one time back then. His longest TD run was 61 yards.

He might go that far on returns or even catches, but he wouldn't have 80-yard TD runs on a regular basis.

I just threw this list together so if I missed a huge name excuse me.

I'm sure a lot of people here would put Earl Campbell on their list.

 

[sonnyboy]

I'm with you DC on #1. When you see any top 10 list in football besides QB its all about production and talent. Don't care if its RB, WR, OL, or any other position, the player's team success never comes into play.

With QB's its all about winning. You take 2 hypothetical QB's from the same era. Lets say 1990-2000.
QB A has a 95.0 career rating. He lead the league in TD passes and QB rating 3 times. He was named All-Pro 3 times and made 7 Pro-Bowls. However, his team played .500 ball during his career and never won a playoff game.

QB B has an 85.0 career rating. He never lead the league in TD's or QB rating. He was not named to one All-Pro team but did manage 4 pro-bowl trips. However, his team played .700 ball during his career. They also made the play-offs 7 times, recording a 14-3 post-season record and 4 Superbowl wins.

Which of these Hypothetical QB's would you find in Canton?

I bring this up for one reason. Take your RB list and next to each name list the players career regular season stats. Then list their teams winning percentage during their career. Then list the teams post-season record and the players stats for those games. Last but not least list championships.

I have a feeling you won't feel so much a homer once you do that. In fact you might find yourself moving Faulk and Dorsett up the list.

 

[dcfanatic]

Except he never did it even one time back then. His longest TD run was 61 yards.

He might go that far on returns or even catches, but he wouldn't have 80-yard TD runs on a regular basis.


I'm sure a lot of people here would put Earl Campbell on their list.

Thanks 'Captian Statistic'.

I am so sorry for doing that. Next time I will check my stat book before mentioning anything containing any type of stat for a former or current NFL player.

Let me fix it.

4. Sayers - If he played today maybe he would match his career long TD run of 61 yards one or more while playing NFL football. Maybe he can go, by saying go I mean run after he receives the ball, for an 80 yard TD on a return or on a catch every once in while, but he certainly would not be doing that on a regular basis.

Again, his career long TD run was 61 yards. Earlier I had incorrectly stated that he would be running for 80 yard TD's on a regular basis and if anyone was offended or their world ended I am sorry for the inconvenience I have caused you or your family.

Thank god 'Captain Statistic' was around to save the day!

Serioulsy, I don't think anyone thought I meant Gale Sayers was running for 80 yard TD's on a game to game basis bro.

My point was that his highlight reels are filled with his electrifying long runs.

Can you just lighten it up a little? I mean just a wee bit? The world wasn't going to end if you didn't correct that ya know.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Except he never did it even one time back then. His longest TD run was 61 yards.

He might go that far on returns or even catches, but he wouldn't have 80-yard TD runs on a regular basis.

The part of speech in question is called hyperbole.

This link might even help elucidate some other recent threads.

 

[AdamJT13]

Serioulsy, I don't think anyone thought I meant Gale Sayers was running for 80 yard TD's on a game to game basis bro.

No, just a "regular basis."

Now you know why people love the links you post but ignore you whenever you open your mouth. The more you do, the more foolish you look.

 

[Rampage]

Except he never did it even one time back then. His longest TD run was 61 yards.

He might go that far on returns or even catches, but he wouldn't have 80-yard TD runs on a regular basis.




I'm sure a lot of people here would put Earl Campbell on their list.

you live a very boring life don't you? are you the schwab from espn?

 

[AdamJT13]

The part of speech in question is called hyperbole.

This link might even help elucidate some other recents threads.

It's also called glorifying the past and stretching the truth.

Woohoo! Gale Sayers ran for 80-yard touchdowns all the time! Earl Campbell never got tackled by fewer than three guys! Deacon Jones averaged 12 sacks per game! Making up stuff is fun!

 

[ScipioCowboy]

It's also called glorifying the past and stretching the truth.

Woohoo! Gale Sayers ran for 80-yard touchdowns all the time! Earl Campbell never got tackled by fewer than three guys! Deacon Jones averaged 12 sacks per game! Making up stuff is fun!

I can add yet another one to your list:

Now you know why people love the links you post but ignore you whenever you open your mouth.

Do you really think people ignore DCFanatic "whenever he opens his mouth?"

If so, can you prove that people ignore DCFanatic "whenever he opens his mouth?"

Or, is it possible that you, too, are engaging in hyperbole--exaggerating for purposes of making a point?

Are we supposed to accept that you're the only person allowed to use hyperbole while we must relegate ourselves to being strict literalists whenever we engage you in discussion?

 

[AdamJT13]

I can add yet another one to your list:

Do you really think people ignore DCFanatic "whenever he opens his mouth?"

If so, can you prove that people ignore DCFanatic "whenever he opens his mouth?"

I ignore the opinions and analysis he provides with his useful links, because I haven't seen any reason to give them any credibility. And I'm not the only one who has commented on that. So yes, that means there are people ignoring what he has to say.

Do you need links for proof?

 

[bbgun]

http://img113.*************/img113/7435/nerd385x261hy2.jpg

 

[AdamJT13]

Right, because anyone who knows anything about the NFL must be a nerd who leads a boring life.

Got any more completely off-base cliches you'd like to throw out there, Rampage and bbgun? I'm sure someone might find them funny.

 

[Rampage]

http://img113.*************/img113/7435/nerd385x261hy2.jpg

:laugh2: i don't think anything can top that.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I ignore the opinions and analysis he provides with his useful links, because I haven't seen any reason to give them any credibility. And I'm not the only one who has commented on that. So yes, that means there are people ignoring what he has to say.

Do you need links for proof?

Yes.

And remember your exact statement: people ignore DCFanatic "whenever" he opens his mouth.

when·ev·er
Every time that
Ex: The child smiles whenever the puppy appears.
America Heritage Dictionary

Therefore, these links must prove conclusively that people ignore DCfanatic every time he opens his mouth. Every time. Not merely when he's posting on a message board. Every time.

Can you do this?

 

[AdamJT13]

See, I told you someone out there would think it was funny.

 

[Idgit]

Yes.

And remember your exact statement: people ignore DCFanatic "whenever" he opens his mouth.

when·ev·er
Every time that
Ex: The child smiles whenever the puppy appears.
America Heritage Dictionary

Therefore, these links must prove conclusively that people ignore DCfanatic every time he opens his mouth. Every time. Not merely when he's posting on a message board. Every time.

Can you do this?

There's an important difference between using hyperbole in a post and using it when discussing the subject matter of a post. A point made by hyperbole isn't worthwhile because as soon as someone challenges it it doesn't stand up. Just like you're doing with Adam's crack on DC right now.

That point wasn't relevant to a football discussion, though. Hyperbole as it directly relates to the topic of a thread is not a good thing, and not a good habit for a smart board like this one. Posters are right to call it out and hold the rest of us to high standards.

 

[Disturbed]

http://img113.*************/img113/7435/nerd385x261hy2.jpg

Wow. Some of you guys are really funny.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

There's an important difference between using hyperbole in a post and using it when discussing the subject matter of a post.

Then my point still stands. DCFanatic's credibility was the subject matter of Adam's post and the object of his hyperbole.

A point made by hyperbole isn't worthwhile because as soon as someone challenges it it doesn't stand up.

Only if a person engages in the absurd practice of interpreting hyperbole literally.

Hyperbole isn't meant to be taken literally. It's exaggeration for the sake of emphasizing a point, and it's a common and unavoidable part of speech. Hyperbole exists in virtually every genre of writing and communication, with the exception of highly formal technical or academic genres. Expecting such painstaking formality on a message board is ludicrous.

That point wasn't relevant to a football discussion, though. Hyperbole as it directly relates to the topic of a thread is not a good thing, and not a good habit for a smart board like this one. Posters are right to call it out and hold the rest of us to high standards.

This site is a completely relaxed and colloquial environment; therefore, there's absolutely nothing inappropriate about using hyperbole here. In all likelihood, most "smart" football viewers (of which this board consists, according to you) know that 80 yard runs are very rare from any one player.

DCFanatic's hyperbole is completely understood and appreciated.

 

[dcfanatic]

I ignore the opinions and analysis he provides with his useful links, because I haven't seen any reason to give them any credibility. And I'm not the only one who has commented on that. So yes, that means there are people ignoring what he has to say.

Do you need links for proof?

How many people do you think really read your 16,000 word posts? lol.

It's you, Theo and Dargon. lol.

Are you still holding a grudge because I don't agree that the pass defense was a top ten unit even though you tried and tried to 'stat me' into thinking so.

This place is supposed to be fun for the Cowboy fans. I don't think it's fun when you come along in every thread and try to correct people by talking down to them as if they are stupid because they got a stat wrong or they have an opinion based on something other than breaking down the game film 12 times a day.

On a personal level. I could care less what you think of me or my posts. But I notice you and the 'semantic kids' run around here scaring people into not posting. Must be fun for you, but I doubt it's fun for those others.

As for me I just like to post and talk about the Cowboys. That's why I post so much and offer up any info for the fans. It's also why I run my site and radio show.

You seem to just want to correct people and then force your opinion on them by spinning everything to fit your agenda. You just have to be the life of party anywhere you go bro.

 

[Hoofbite]

I love when people get pissed because someone points something out to them.

A: "Here, this is my opinion".

B: "Well heres the facts".

A: "Screw you, my opinion isn't changed by or based on facts"

If you don't want someone to provide something in response, just put a little disclaimer in your signature that says you don't care to here other sides of the story and I'm sure everyone who doesn't agree with you will avoid replying.