Machota: How the Cowboys draft would have looked if fans, draft 'experts' had their way

[BoysWin]

5'11 is ideal height for a cornerback.
Corners range from 5'8 to 6'1 - and 6'1 is really pushing it.
Revis is 5'11. No one says of him he has a height disadvantage.

Plenty of corners less than 6'0 but we all know scouts prefer height and length (no different than defending a basketball court). At least this CB from Purdue has a stat book of passes defended with INT's. Not a bad pickup in R6.

 

[Alexander]

What is not to like? Three probable starters in the first three rounds.

I don't think Prosise would be an every down player. Even Seattle is using him as a 3rd down back ala Dunbar.

 

[Sydla]

I don't think Prosise would be an every down player. Even Seattle is using him as a 3rd down back ala Dunbar.

One beat writer said they will use him as a 3rd round back for now but there is some expectation that he can eventually be their three down back.

 

[tyke1doe]

Plenty of corners less than 6'0 but we all know scouts prefer height and length (no different than defending a basketball court). At least this CB from Purdue has a stat book of passes defended with INT's. Not a bad pickup in R6.

Scouts prefer them only to the degree that they maintain corner skills. And very few corners above 6'1 are very good because the taller and heavier you are, the "slower" and flexible you are in the hips, where corners make their living when they turn and run with receivers.

It's the same as having a tall running back. Ezekiel Elliott is a freak at 6'0. But scouts tend to prefer running backs shorter because of their low center of gravity and their ability to get loss at the line of scrimmage.

Height isn't a plus at every position.

 

[tyke1doe]

One beat writer said they will use him as a 3rd round back for now but there is some expectation that he can eventually be their three down back.

I heard he had small hands too and had a propensity to put the ball on the turf. Is this true?

 

[boysfanindc]

I personally like version 2.0 better, in the first 4 rounds it has the potential to solidify the secondary, DE & DT for years to come and throw in a RB to boot.

This stuff about draft for next year only (meaning if they don't produce next year they are a bust or a waist of a pick) is a sure way to find trouble down the road. Even the Broncos who went all in last year did it via free agency not with their draft, plus they had more to work with to start with. 2014 was a great offensive year for the Cowboys, but they where not going to win the SB with the Defense they had.

Those that claim value in the draft does not matter, I have a used car to sell you.

 

[CATCH17]

but we're not building (other than on defense) and yes, i know, you "build" through the draft

we are in win now mode due to Romo's short window, that's why I believe without a shadow of a doubt the pick was Zeke

We could still win now without Zeke. He didn't greatly improve our chances.

Everyone points to 2014 but forgets that Murray was a day 2 selected tailback like most of the best tailbacks in the league.

We don't ever do anything in free agency and when we draft we select RBs in the top 5 and defensive players that may never play or be the same again after a brutal injury.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He is not an NFL QB.

No, not yet lol. Neither is Wentz or Goff either or any rookie QB in this draft. Can't be a NFL QB when you've never played a down in it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jerry wanted to sell jerseys and get cute on draft day. I hope it works out for him.


Im fine with everything from the 3rd round on. I'm even fine with the Zeke pick. I just don't feel like what we did was the best way to build the team.

Jerry has never had problems selling jerseys lol. When eh drafted Zach Martin or Fredericks or Tyron was he trying to sell jersey's?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We took a guy with the 34th pick who may never see the field in an NFL game. I love Smith but trying to argue the re-draft has too many concerns is kind of funny.

Other then Smith none we took has concerns. All those guys are leaders and captains. Also being that the doctor that worked on Smith has a job for the Cowboys I think they know much more about his situation then you. .........the doctor said it's not about if but when and even said Smith would have a 10 year career, I'm not concern.

I'm talking about drug issues, suspension issues, Ramsey having only 3 picks issue. List goes on and on. That's what I'm talking about.

Again so glad yall ain't making picks for Dallas or decisions

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We could still win now without Zeke. He didn't greatly improve our chances.

Everyone points to 2014 but forgets that Murray was a day 2 selected tailback like most of the best tailbacks in the league.

We don't ever do anything in free agency and when we draft we select RBs in the top 5 and defensive players that may never play or be the same again after a brutal injury.

Using this logic than the Cowboys should never invest a 1st rounder in a quarterback because you can either get Tom Brady in the 6th round or Russell Wilson in the 4th round.

And the Cowboys have chosen a running back ONCE in the top 5. You are speaking like this is something we do every year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Other then Smith none we took has concerns. All those guys are leaders and captains. Also being that the doctor that worked on Smith has a job for the Cowboys I think they know much more about his situation then you. .........the doctor said it's not about if but when and even said Smith would have a 10 year career, I'm not concern.

I'm talking about drug issues, suspension issues, Ramsey having only 3 picks issue. List goes on and on. That's what I'm talking about.

Again so glad yall ain't making picks for Dallas or decisions

People like to dog the Cowboys. I get it. But to sit here and say that Ramsay was a sure thing and that we could afford to bank on him being better than the 3 int's he got in college......its a silly risk that usually the Cowboys would take.

No one wants to admit it but the re-draft is the same exact draft Jerry would've had in past years. Reaching for guys. Taking potential off the field risk guys.

I would think even Jerry's biggest critics would like how the draft went.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

People like to dog the Cowboys. I get it. But to sit here and say that Ramsay was a sure thing and that we could afford to bank on him being better than the 3 int's he got in college......its a silly risk that usually the Cowboys would take.

No one wants to admit it but the re-draft is the same exact draft Jerry would've had in past years. Reaching for guys. Taking potential off the field risk guys.

I would think even Jerry's biggest critics would like how the draft went.

I'm not dogging. I'm saying I wouldn't trade or draft for this other fake one. Think our draft has a chance to be a great draft

 

[Sydla]

Other then Smith none we took has concerns. All those guys are leaders and captains. Also being that the doctor that worked on Smith has a job for the Cowboys I think they know much more about his situation then you. .........the doctor said it's not about if but when and even said Smith would have a 10 year career, I'm not concern.

I'm talking about drug issues, suspension issues, Ramsey having only 3 picks issue. List goes on and on. That's what I'm talking about.

Again so glad yall ain't making picks for Dallas or decisions

Again, I am as hopeful as the next guy for Smith but there is the possibility he never plays. That's just the reality because while the doctor expected recovery he also was clear that a healing nerve is completely unpredictable. To deny that is just silly and shows your bias.

Further, it's hard to take seriously people that just assume Player A or B is going to fail or not be worth the pick but then just assume there's a 100% chance Elliott is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Again, it shows a fairly obvious bias.

And Spence isn't Gregory who failed a drug test near the combine. Spence has been passing every drug test thrown his way and even had himself tested and sent the results to all NFL teams. I suspect he's far from a drug/suspension issue at this point, probably no moreso than guys you don't even know that actually smoke pot. Further, it was alleged that Elliott liked to partake of the party drug a few times himself.

 

[Sydla]

Using this logic than the Cowboys should never invest a 1st rounder in a quarterback because you can either get Tom Brady in the 6th round or Russell Wilson in the 4th round.

And the Cowboys have chosen a running back ONCE in the top 5. You are speaking like this is something we do every year.

Such a faulty argument. Tom Brady and Wilson are very rare exceptions. RBs hit more often in later rounds than QBs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not dogging. I'm saying I wouldn't trade or draft for this other fake one. Think our draft has a chance to be a great draft

I know what you are saying lol. I Was speaking in general. I agree with you. I'm with you. I think there' potential with this draft. I don't know how good or bad it will be but I have a good feeling about it.

 

[Sydla]

People like to dog the Cowboys. I get it. But to sit here and say that Ramsay was a sure thing and that we could afford to bank on him being better than the 3 int's he got in college......its a silly risk that usually the Cowboys would take.

No one wants to admit it but the re-draft is the same exact draft Jerry would've had in past years. Reaching for guys. Taking potential off the field risk guys.

I would think even Jerry's biggest critics would like how the draft went.

Know what else could be a silly risk? Taking a TB at 4 when it's quite possible you could have gotten more than acceptable production from what you had and what you drafted in the 3rd round as long as you had Romo healthy (who is the key to the team anyway, not who is playing TB).

I think our existing draft was good. I like Tapper a lot and also Collins. But I think the one proposed here is just better.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Such a faulty argument. Tom Brady and Wilson are very rare exceptions. RBs hit more often in later rounds than QBs.

Its not faulty. Finding a franchise running back is hard to find as well. Not as hard as finding a franchise quarterback but its hard as well.

I don't understand the logic that you can find one of these on day 2.

I'm of the belief that AP and Todd Gurley are two of the best running backs in the league and if Gurley wasn't hurt he would've also been a top 5 pick. Doug Martin is a 1st rounder.

Sure there are exceptions. Leveon Bell is a top 5 back in this league but there' also exceptions to finding a great quarterback in this league in later rounds as well.

Fact is, people don't value running back. Just like people didn't value offensive line here. You can find offensive linemen all over the draft. The Cowboys have in years past. But they decided to invest 3 1st rounders which at the time was very rare and it worked out well for them.

Just because no one is spending top 5 picks on running backs doesn't make it the right move. Their willingness to stray away from he norm should be appreciated and not condemned.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Know what else could be a silly risk? Taking a TB at 4 when it's quite possible you could have gotten more than acceptable production from what you had and what you drafted in the 3rd round as long as you had Romo healthy (who is the key to the team anyway, not who is playing TB).

I think our existing draft was good. I like Tapper a lot and also Collins. But I think the one proposed here is just better.

I like this one too. This draft is probably what I would've preferred than the one us doing.

But I think the proposed draft is a Jerry draft. Its exactly what Jerry would've done in years past and it would've fell flat. Or maybe not. Its too early to tell. But no one here was okay with us taking Noah Spence right on the heels of us getting suspensions from Gregory and Lawrence.

 

[Sydla]

Its not faulty. Finding a franchise running back is hard to find as well. Not as hard as finding a franchise quarterback but its hard as well.

I don't understand the logic that you can find one of these on day 2.

I'm of the belief that AP and Todd Gurley are two of the best running backs in the league and if Gurley wasn't hurt he would've also been a top 5 pick. Doug Martin is a 1st rounder.

Sure there are exceptions. Leveon Bell is a top 5 back in this league but there' also exceptions to finding a great quarterback in this league in later rounds as well.

Fact is, people don't value running back. Just like people didn't value offensive line here. You can find offensive linemen all over the draft. The Cowboys have in years past. But they decided to invest 3 1st rounders which at the time was very rare and it worked out well for them.

Just because no one is spending top 5 picks on running backs doesn't make it the right move. Their willingness to stray away from he norm should be appreciated and not condemned.

You can believe whatever you want.

But it's easier to find a TB on the 2nd day than a QB.