Making or Keeping Cowboys Fans Happy

Hostile;3817278 said:
So if I call you a homer it means you are not a realist?

I don't believe anyone is a realist who cannot look at the entire NFL. Perception is reality.


When you look at a response to a thread and you see who it is that responded you already know what angle to expect from that poster. For instance, when I saw that you responded I knew what tone to expect because you are consistent in your stance. Matter of fact I always know what tone we are going to get from you even in your "Touch of Hostility" posts.
 
birdwells1;3817333 said:
Why are you getting offended, who knows, I could be a homer or a realist.
I'm not offended. I'm just sitting here reading your brief rants about perception.
 
birdwells1;3817323 said:
When you look at a response to a thread and you see who it is that responded you already know what angle to expect from that poster. For instance, when I saw that you responded I knew what tone to expect because you are consistent in your stance. Matter of fact I always know what tone we are going to get from you even in your "Touch of Hostility" posts.
Very consistent in my stance, and that is why people dislike me so much. They can't prove me wrong and they can't make me sway. Not without having some actual facts to back their stance up. I perceive that to be ***** envy and since perception is reality...

I now know he will respond angrily and prove his own point that you know how people will respond.
 
Hostile;3817366 said:
Very consistent in my stance, and that is why people dislike me so much. They can't prove me wrong and they can't make me sway. Not without having some actual facts to back their stance up. I perceive that to be ***** envy and since perception is reality...

I now know he will respond angrily and prove his own point that you know how people will respond.
Rainbows and lollipops my friend.
 
birdwells1;3817376 said:
Rainbows and lollipops my friend.
Actually sarcasm and irony.

Look at the message I left hidden in my post.

:wink2:
 
Hostile;3817383 said:
Actually sarcasm and irony.

Look at the message I left hidden in my post.

All I said was rainbows and lollipops, those are two of the nicest things I know.
 
birdwells1;3817396 said:
All I said was rainbows and lollipops, those are two of the nicest things I know.
Yeah, but i know why you said it.

Perception is reality.

:wink2:
 
ScipioCowboy;3816240 said:
CZ tends to be very apologetic towards the Cowboys organization and Jerry Jones. In fact, many posters are unabashed and unapologetic apologists. It can be very annoying, especially during tumultuous, disappointing seasons such as this past one.

Even a normally positive fan such as myself has rolled his eyes at some of the homer commentary around here. However, you'll never find me complaining about it. If you don't like the tenor of a board, go elsewhere. It truly is that simple. Either you enjoy posting and reading here, or you don't.

I've been as critical of Jerry Jones the GM as anyone else on this board, and I've been vociferous in my criticism. One playoff win in over a decade is not indicative of a well run organization. Very few people will argue this point because it doesn't rely on one's feelings or satisfaction level. It's simply a statement of fact. And if those who frequently criticize Jerry Jones would adhere to this point, they would be better off. Instead, they get lured down rabbit holes that, in reality, have no bearing on their arguments.

Here's an example of a rabbit hole: Jerry's level of responsibility in the 90s Super Bowl wins is irrelevant to his performance at GM over the past fourteen years. Past success is no guarantee of future success, and past accolades will not save one's job -- they certainly didn't save Tom Landry's job.

My advice is this: Identify your central argument, stick with it, and don't take comments so personally.

Good Post!

I'm sure everyone here would peg me as a Homer. Not sure I agree with that, but there's no doubt I'm a Jones apologist.

What has always bothered me most about the so called realists, is that at times they tend to dig their heels in so deep, you have to wonder how they can still root for the team.

If being proven right, is more important than Cowboy success which may prove them wrong.
 
sonnyboy;3817413 said:
Good Post!

I'm sure everyone here would peg me as a Homer. Not sure I agree with that, but there's no doubt I'm a Jones apologist.

What has always bothered me most about the so called realists, is that at times they tend to dig their heels in so deep, you have to wonder how they can still root for the team.

If being proven right, is more important than being wrong with Cowboy success.

I would be labeled a realist so I can tell you how I root for the team. Being a fan of this team is like being in a family where member argue with each other but would stand side by side to battle any outsiders.
Now if I was standing side by side with a homer arguing against, a Steelers fan, I might be embarassed by him stating that the Cowboys are better run than them but I would still support him.:laugh2:
 
I see this board split into 3 different groups.

Group A......they are the homers, everything Jerry does, everything the coaching staff does, everything the players do, is just dandy.

Group B......the pessimist of the board, they hate Jerry, they hate the coaching staff, they hate the players, ect....Every move the organization makes is wrong, the players drafted are all busts, the coaches are all puppets,ect....We all have an idea who those posters are, of course we will not name names here.

Group C....the rational posters, they see fault with the organization, they see fault with the coaches, and they see fault with the players. However, they also see many good things in how the team is operated, generally approve of the direction the team is headed, and are hopeful for the future.



Like I said, I am not going to name names, but I think we all have an idea of who belongs in which groups.:D
 
Hostile;3817215 said:
You gave a minimal bar then you decry evidence that your minimal bar won't make you happy? I'm not happy, you said you would be with all but the last of those points having been accomplished. That was your set of circumstances, not mine.
Like I said, you are making a pedantic argument - if I say I want a team that wins most of it's games, pointing out the Cowboys are 122-118 over the last 15 years doesn't address the gist of what I am getting at - most in this vernacular is not a minimalist 50% +1.

I didn't want to get dragged down into debating every point, but you're being nitpicky - when your wife says you never help with the dishes, so you go wash a spoon off, you aren't really addressing what she meant. There is technical, and there is functional. To say the Cowboys haven't done a dang thing in the playoffs in the last 10 years is functionally accurate, but you're arguing for one win as being technically accurate, to prove the wrong point, counting trees but not seeing the forest.

Mine was the tongue in cheek sarcastic brand of the OP.
Oh I full well get your sarcasm, but I think that the realistic Cowboy fan is at this point quite dispirited, with justifiable cause. You seem to have argued that there is a general irrationality with the Cowboys fan malaise, and I think that is certainly wrong.

There will always be Eeyore's in the fan base, but right now Eeyore has a point.
 
Venger;3818128 said:
Oh I full well get your sarcasm, but I think that the realistic Cowboy fan is at this point quite dispirited, with justifiable cause. You seem to have argued that there is a general irrationality with the Cowboys fan malaise, and I think that is certainly wrong.

There will always be Eeyore's in the fan base, but right now Eeyore has a point.
Like the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, and tooth fairy, that doesn't exist. At least not any more.

My post was hyperbole squared, but you mark my words, we've reached the point where satisfaction is a horizon that never comes.

I am a football fan. Of the entire game, and specifically this team. All that means to some people is if I don't see things their way that I am blind. Well, I refuse to stick my head in the same place that some people have theirs. Allergies to dark, smelly places I suppose. Or a bad back. Take your pick.

My OP was completely in jest and a few people actually got it. A select few felt guilty. Considering what I posted was flat out impossible, perhaps you can tell me why they would. Because personally, I don't get it. I didn't name anyone and I certainly didn't expect anyone to see themselves in that post. But some did.

Realists? Isn't the fact that they would see themselves in the impossible proof that isn't possible? Hey we even have reduced things to perception is reality. So whatever you perceive is your reality. It certainly explains why people think trades on Madden can happen in real life, but it sure doesn't explain how my OP is impossible. I mean, I can claim that as my perception of some people's real expectations and right here in the thread there's evidence some felt guilt.

Justification? Not in my world, but in theirs? It sure looks that way.

A wise old cowboy once told me "if you wallow with the pigs, you're going to get slop on you." I refuse to wallow.
 
Hostile, if someone else made this thread, you would have closed/locked it pages ago for trolling.

seriously what is the point of this thread?

a lot of Cowboys fans are upset not only with the losing, but the lack of heart/effort displayed by the players.

we've gone thru a 44-6 playoff game, closing the hallowed grounds of Texas Stadium with a DUD, opening the new stadium with a DUD, not scoring a touchdown in the Vikings playoff game, and a season where the team quit on a chance to play a super bowl at home.

i think fans have a right to be upset with the direction of the franchise.
 
basedGAWD;3818149 said:
Hostile, if someone else made this thread, you would have closed/locked it pages ago for trolling.

No he wouldn't. Believe me - the staff is pretty lenient. They let the show go on as long as it doesn't turn malicious.

seriously what is the point of this thread?

a lot of Cowboys fans are upset not only with the losing, but the lack of heart/effort displayed by the players.

we've gone thru a 44-6 playoff game, closing the hallowed grounds of Texas Stadium with a DUD, opening the new stadium with a DUD, not scoring a touchdown in the Vikings playoff game, and a season where the team quit on a chance to play a super bowl at home.

i think fans have a right to be upset with the direction of the franchise.

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basedGAWD;3818149 said:
Hostile, if someone else made this thread, you would have closed/locked it pages ago for trolling.
You've been here 2 months and you think you know me?

Hmmmmm.
 
A question for the self-anointed realists:

Can an individual be both a realist and an optimist (which is a term that "homers" are often saddled with)?
 

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