Malcom Kellys Pro Day/workout video

[CATCH17]

For all you guys complaining about his bench press and route running you do know he is 21 years old right?

Not even close to being a finished product.

 

[firehawk350]

I wonder how many Randy Moss can do. I'd be surprised if it's more than 15. Somebody should tell him he will never succeed in the NFL without being stronger.

 

[TheCount]

Upper body strength is important. It helps in both downfield blocking and your release from the LOS. In the NFL, this really is the most important part of running routes effectively. You can be the most precise route runner in the world but if you can't get off the line on time, then it doesn't matter. Your QB will go through progressions and move right on by to his next read if your not there. It is importnat but I also think that it's something that can be worked on when you get to the NFL. It's a lot of the reason why WRs take so long to develop in the NFL. The difference between the strength of the DBs in the NFL and College are rediculous. You have to be able to get off the ball and into your route on time or you will never play in the NFL. Just how it is.

Blocking upfield for a WR is more about being tenacious more than anything else, you have to have the will to do it and the mental mindset to get on a guy and bother him.

It's not like being a lineman where you're going to wrestle with the guy all game.

Getting off the line, in my opinion, has more to do with lower body strength and smarts than upper body strength. Especially with the rules in place now.

If you have the leg drive to continue on your route despite a guy having a hand on you, that's what you really need. You don't stop to engage the CB, you fight through what he tries to do so you can get to the spot where you're supposed to be at. It's about feints and jabs to keep the CB off your body, not grappling.

Granted, the fact that Kelly ran a very average 40 means he may see more press coverage than a quicker guy, but I've never understood why they don't do squat and bench press as part of the combine. Maybe cause they fear knee injuries.

 

[CATCH17]

I wonder how many Randy Moss can do. I'd be surprised if it's more than 15. Somebody should tell him he will never succeed in the NFL without being stronger.

If you can bench 225 x 15 you can bench well over 300 pounds.

A receiver being able to bench 300 pounds is plenty especially at his age.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Blocking upfield for a WR is more about being tenacious more than anything else, you have to have the will to do it and the mental mindset to get on a guy and bother him.

It's not like being a lineman where you're going to wrestle with the guy all game.

Getting off the line, in my opinion, has more to do with lower body strength and smarts than upper body strength. Especially with the rules in place now.

If you have the leg drive to continue on your route despite a guy having a hand on you, that's what you really need. You don't stop to engage the CB, you fight through what he tries to do so you can get to the spot where you're supposed to be at. It's about feints and jabs to keep the CB off your body, not grappling.

Granted, the fact that Kelly ran a very average 40 means he may see more press coverage than a quicker guy, but I've never understood why they don't do squat and bench press as part of the combine. Maybe cause they fear knee injuries.

I agree that you have to have the willingness to actually block downfield but that doesn't mean you don't need to be able to have the strength to also be an effective blocker. You have to have the strength to hold your own with DBs, especially in todays game. Because DBs can't touch you 5 yards off the ball, the emphysis on getting a strong jam at the LOS by the DB is even more focused then in years past. Everybody is looking for DBs who have good strong upper body strength to get that good stiff Jam on the WR. They want to be able to knock the WR off the route and thus, disrupt the pattern. Leg strength is also very important but most WRs coming out of college have superior strength in there legs in comparison to there upper bodies already. Every WR needs to be able to chicken fight effectively and get right into there pattern at the snap of the ball. That's upper body strength. Every WR needs to be able to use an effective Swim. That's upper body strength. Every WR needs to be able to lock up and engage a DB. you can have all the leg strength you want but if your not strong enough to keep the DB out of your body on that block, he's going to fold you up like a lawn chair. If the DB gets into your body, he's going be able to use his strength and leverage to disrupt your pattern. No, no matter how you slice it, upper body strength is important for WRs in the NFL.

Doesn't mean that Kelly can't turn out to be a good Pro. Most WRs come into the league without enough upper body strength and they eventually have to work to improve it. Again, that's why it takes a few years to become good Pro WRs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I wonder how many Randy Moss can do. I'd be surprised if it's more than 15. Somebody should tell him he will never succeed in the NFL without being stronger.

And maybe somebody should, in turn, remind you of the fact that Randy Moss ran the 40 in the 4.25 range with a Vertical of nearly 40 coming out of Marshall.

I can understand what your trying to say but if Kelly were any where near the athlete Randy Moss was, this thread would not exist.

 

[Cowboysfan22]

I think he will be solid number two in the NFL and may prove himself later on in his career to be a good #1 wr.

 

[TheCount]

I agree that you have to have the willingness to actually block downfield but that doesn't mean you don't need to be able to have the strength to also be an effective blocker. You have to have the strength to hold your own with DBs, especially in todays game. Because DBs can't touch you 5 yards off the ball, the emphysis on getting a strong jam at the LOS by the DB is even more focused then in years past. Everybody is looking for DBs who have good strong upper body strength to get that good stiff Jam on the WR. They want to be able to knock the WR off the route and thus, disrupt the pattern. Leg strength is also very important but most WRs coming out of college have superior strength in there legs in comparison to there upper bodies already. Every WR needs to be able to chicken fight effectively and get right into there pattern at the snap of the ball. That's upper body strength. Every WR needs to be able to use an effective Swim. That's upper body strength. Every WR needs to be able to lock up and engage a DB. you can have all the leg strength you want but if your not strong enough to keep the DB out of your body on that block, he's going to fold you up like a lawn chair. If the DB gets into your body, he's going be able to use his strength and leverage to disrupt your pattern. No, no matter how you slice it, upper body strength is important for WRs in the NFL.

Doesn't mean that Kelly can't turn out to be a good Pro. Most WRs come into the league without enough upper body strength and they eventually have to work to improve it. Again, that's why it takes a few years to become good Pro WRs.

I agree on some of your points. I never said upper body wasn't important, I just think 14 at 21 years old isn't something to get overly critical about.

I think getting off the line is more about leverage and lower body strength than upper body strength, is all. I also disagree that upper body strength is the most important thing when it comes to getting off the line.

I certainly agree it's something he'll have to work on in the NFL, but as you said, WR's are typically behind everyone else in terms of that stuff, so I don't think 14 reps is going to affect him nearly as much as that 40 time did, if at all.

 

[Rack]

Good for you and your buddy.

Who cares if Kelly's bench was impressive? Is he gonna be lifting CB's over his head?

Please. Most WR's don't even do the drill.

You have problems with simple comprehension at times.

 

[TheCount]

You have problems with simple comprehension at times.

It's hard to comprehend nonsense.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I think getting off the line is more about leverage and lower body strength than upper body strength, is all. I also disagree that upper body strength is the most important thing when it comes to getting off the line.

Gotta agree with ABQ, leverage doesn't combat a jam, rip and swim moves do. However, I don't have a problem with his strength. I do have a problem with his lack of suddeness into and out of cuts. Corners won't have to jam him at the line, they'll just run with him and get to his spot before he does.

 

[MONT17]

he looks like a tweener maybe someone can get him to play TE... he would be a great day 2 pick! he is slow out of his Breaks!!! it may be nerves u would have to check that v. film!!!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Upper body strength is important. It helps in both downfield blocking and your release from the LOS. In the NFL, this really is the most important part of running routes effectively. You can be the most precise route runner in the world but if you can't get off the line on time, then it doesn't matter. Your QB will go through progressions and move right on by to his next read if your not there. It is importnat but I also think that it's something that can be worked on when you get to the NFL. It's a lot of the reason why WRs take so long to develop in the NFL. The difference between the strength of the DBs in the NFL and College are rediculous. You have to be able to get off the ball and into your route on time or you will never play in the NFL. Just how it is.

having long arms is more important, which Kelly has, you can keep the defender from locking onto you by keeping him at arms length, a little technique work, and he'll be fine

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

having long arms is more important, which Kelly has, you can keep the defender from locking onto you by keeping him at arms length, a little technique work, and he'll be fine

This is irrelivenat. The question is not about Kelly. It's about importance of upper body strength at the WR position.

But, since you did mention it, I don't agree. Long arms are important but that does not negate the importance of strength. Several examples of this in the recent drafts, Woods from OSU and Williams of USC both had very long arms and they were unable to be succesful because they could not seperate.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is irrelivenat. The question is not about Kelly. It's about importance of upper body strength at the WR position.

But, since you did mention it, I don't agree. Long arms are important but that does not negate the importance of strength. Several examples of this in the recent drafts, Woods from OSU and Williams of USC both had very long arms and they were unable to be succesful because they could not seperate.

I'm not saying long arms negates strength, just it doesn't really mean squat if you can't keep the defender at bay

that's why long arms are so important for OTs, if you have short arms, you're a OG

now if we wanted drive-blocking WRs, then I could see the big hoopla over a WR's bench press

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree on some of your points. I never said upper body wasn't important, I just think 14 at 21 years old isn't something to get overly critical about.

I think getting off the line is more about leverage and lower body strength than upper body strength, is all. I also disagree that upper body strength is the most important thing when it comes to getting off the line.

I certainly agree it's something he'll have to work on in the NFL, but as you said, WR's are typically behind everyone else in terms of that stuff, so I don't think 14 reps is going to affect him nearly as much as that 40 time did, if at all.

I never said that upper body strength was the most important part of running routes. I said that upper body strength is import in the NFL to get a good quick release at the LOS, which is the most important part of running a good route.

 

[Little Jr]

He's 6'4" 230 lbs. I don't care if he's a punter, that bench wasn't impressive.



I did 17 reps in college (and that is far from impressive, not even close) at 5'11" 215 lbs.

We had a WR (who ended up in the NFL, might still be) by the name of Bryan Gilmore who as a sophomore could bench 345 lbs and did 24 reps @ 225 lbs. ANd he was about might height but about 20 lbs lighter.

If your friend could bench that at 16 yrs old then he's just cock strong mofo. I'm pretty sure there are some vet WR's that couldnt do that.

 

[TheCount]

I never said that upper body strength was the most important part of running routes. I said that upper body strength is import in the NFL to get a good quick release at the LOS, which is the most important part of running a good route.

I think it's important, I just don't think it's as important as being crafty and lower body strength.

Most WR's don't even do the drill, and it's not because they think they'll bench it too many times.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

btw, notice how most pass-rushing DEs attend judo? they do it to get away from the grip of Otackles

 

[gmoney112]

hahah did anyone else notice how he was benching? ***??!