Manning's first time at Texas Stadium

[LeonDixson]

I read that this was Peyton's first game at Texas Stadium. True? The reason I ask is this. I was at the game. (Yep, came all the way from Hawaii to Sacramento, CA. Then my daughter, wife and I flew to Dallas with a group of friends to see the game. Just got back late last night and logged on here this morning).

Anyway, we had endzone seats and you could really see Manning's sideline passes sailing high on him. I don't know if this has been discussed yet or not but what I think happened was he wasn't accounting for the 2 foot "crown" in the stadium turf. He didn't seem to adjust to the fact that his receivers were running down hill 2 feet on the sideline routes, and consequently the passes were too high.

I haven't got to see the game on TV yet, because my son-in-law, a bears fan, didn't TIVO the game for us. Hopefully it will be one of the NFL Channel replays.

Did anyone else see this? To me, it was fairly obvious seeing it from the endzone. I apologize if this has already been discussed.

By the way, for any of you other out of state fans, we got our tickets through "dallascowboyscorral.com". Those folks really make sure you have a good time. Although, next time I'll upgrade my tickets to the sidelines. The endzone seats are not the best, obviously.

 

[theebs]

hey man it is on the nfl network today at 1 and 8 I believe.

the crown can cause some qbs to sail a few early. Mannings problem sunday I believe was that the wr timing was thrown off because we were so physical with them and that manning had someone in his face alot.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

someone posted on here a few days ago that the crown was less than before.. new turf, less crown..

 

[Doomsday101]

someone posted on here a few days ago that the crown was less than before.. new turf, less crown..

This is true. The crown of the field was lowered when Dallas added the field turf to Texas Stadium. I don't think it is much of a factor any longer as it once was.

 

[theebs]

its still pretty noticeable though, when you walk on the field you realize it is there pretty quickly.

 

[LeonDixson]

hey man it is on the nfl network today at 1 and 8 I believe.

the crown can cause some qbs to sail a few early. Mannings problem sunday I believe was that the wr timing was thrown off because we were so physical with them and that manning had someone in his face alot.

Thanks for the tip on the game replay. Yes, we were in his face all day. Ware's first hit on Manning kind of set the tone. It really gave him something else to think about. I'm not sure that was the whole story though. I don't think he adjusted well to the crown.

someone posted on here a few days ago that the crown was less than before.. new turf, less crown..

I don't know what it was before, but on the stadium tour yesterday, they said it was a 24" crown. I think it is still the same or close to it.

 

[Tuna Helper]

I brought up the notion, before the game, that the crown might have an impact for Manning since it was his first time playing in Tx Stadium. I was laughed out of this forum and other forums.

 

[LeonDixson]

I brought up the notion, before the game, that the crown might have an impact for Manning since it was his first time playing in Tx Stadium. I was laughed out of this forum and other forums.

Well, you got the last laugh. It's a reasonable assertion. Peyton is not the first QB to have problems with it on his first trip. I can't remember the QB, but it was one of the best (Farve, maybe) in the 1990's who admitted it bothered him the first couple of times he played in Texas Stadium.

 

[Tuna Helper]

Well, you got the last laugh. It's a reasonable assertion. Peyton is not the first QB to have problems with it on his first trip. I can't remember the QB, but it was one of the best (Farve, maybe) in the 1990's who admitted it bothered him the first couple of times he played in Texas Stadium.

Yeah, it was Favre and also some other QB that played for the Giants (not Phil Simms).

They said that you have to throw sideline routes below the waist of the receiver for it to wind up hitting his hands.

 

[dbair1967]

I honestly think the "crown of the field" excuse is greatly exaggerated. If it was as huge an issue as some made it out, almost every QB would come in here and struggle initally.

Most dont. One that comes immediately to mind in Ben Roesthlisberger in 2004. He was a rookie too, and he was nearly perfect against us that day.

David

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Doesn't Manning and his receivers work on patterns & timimg before every game?

You'd think they would've been ready.

 

[Tuna Helper]

This is true. The crown of the field was lowered when Dallas added the field turf to Texas Stadium. I don't think it is much of a factor any longer as it once was.

How can the crown be lowered unless they busted up the concrete below the turf? It would also make no sense because the new fieldturf would drain more quickly if the crown is more prominent. The new turf drains much more slowly than the carpet that was there before. There is more resistance to flow with grass/fieldturf than carpet.

The crown is still there in its normal form, and is just as noticeable as before. Those that claim that the new turf makes it less pronounced are wrong. What are they supposed to do, make the turf blades longer at the sidelines to hide the crown?

 

[LeonDixson]

I honestly think the "crown of the field" excuse is greatly exaggerated. If it was as huge an issue as some made it out, almost every QB would come in here and struggle initally.

Most dont. One that comes immediately to mind in Ben Roesthlisberger in 2004. He was a rookie too, and he was nearly perfect against us that day.

David

It's not an all or nothing situation IMHO. Just because it bothers some QB's doesn't mean it would automatically bother most of them. It might not have affected anything at all, but it looked that way to me.

 

[Doomsday101]

How can the crown be lowered unless they busted up the concrete below the turf? It would also make no sense because the new fieldturf would drain more quickly if the crown is more prominent. The new turf drains much more slowly than the carpet that was there before. There is more resistance to flow with grass/fieldturf than carpet.

The crown is still there in its normal form, and is just as noticeable as before. Those that claim that the new turf makes it less pronounced are wrong. What are they supposed to do, make the turf blades longer at the sidelines to hide the crown?

I'm going by what was said when they came in and did the renovation a few years back. It was said the crown of the field was lowered. I'll see if I can find info on this.

 

[LeonDixson]

How can the crown be lowered unless they busted up the concrete below the turf? It would also make no sense because the new fieldturf would drain more quickly if the crown is more prominent. The new turf drains much more slowly than the carpet that was there before. There is more resistance to flow with grass/fieldturf than carpet.

The crown is still there in its normal form, and is just as noticeable as before. Those that claim that the new turf makes it less pronounced are wrong. What are they supposed to do, make the turf blades longer at the sidelines to hide the crown?

I'm going by what was said when they came in and did the renovation a few years back. It was said the crown of the field was lowered. I'll see if I can find info on this.

During the stadum tour, they said that the crown is at the league maximum of 24 ". That's why I think it is the same as before unless the league lowered the maximum about the same time we went to the new turf.

 

[5Stars]

During the stadum tour, they said that the crown is at the league maximum of 24 ". That's why I think it is the same as before unless the league lowered the maximum about the same time we went to the new turf.

Leon, here is a post that I made 4 days ago....

Anyway, what Doomsday101 is saying about the crown being lowered when they put in the new turf...I do vaguely recall something about the crown did get lowered some...how much, I don't know. But, when you look at the field, you can defenately still see the crown...


http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1167155#post1167155

 

[LeonDixson]

Leon, here is a post that I made 4 days ago....

Anyway, what Doomsday101 is saying about the crown being lowered when they put in the new turf...I do vaguely recall something about the crown did get lowered some...how much, I don't know. But, when you look at the field, you can defenately still see the crown...


http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1167155#post1167155

IMO you called it. Nobody knows for sure whether it made a difference or not. I haven't heard Peyton use it as an excuse, but I really feel he didn't adjust for it and missed several sideline routes high as a result.

 

[chinch]

crown was irrelevant according to interviews and commentary. said something like "might effect some high school QBs when they play here".

 

[5Stars]

crown was irrelevant according to interviews and commentary. said something like "might effect some high school QBs when they play here".

It may or may not have affected Manning, however, there have been many QB's complain about that 'crown' from the past many, many years...

The time I visted Texas Stadium...I was surprised to see just how high the middle of the field was! I even thought at one time if it was legal or not because it sure was not flat like any other football field I've seen!

 

[chinch]

It may or may not have affected Manning, however, there have been many QB's complain about that 'crown' from the past many, many years...

The time I visted Texas Stadium...I was surprised to see just how high the middle of the field was! I even thought at one time if it was legal or not because it sure was not flat like any other football field I've seen!

every field is like that to some degree




the experts also said the crown was lessenend with the new turf/field.