Martin v. Pugh/Long

[Alexander]

A technician is actually what we need on the Line next to Free as long as he is here. And one is always needed on an O line; you want maulers and technicians. I would prefer Right Side to be maulers and left side technicians ideally.

In a zone scheme, you want more technique type players. It all depends on them working in synch, especially with the footwork.

The mauler stuck in between the rest gums up the works.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

I would like to hear everyones opinion of Zack Martin compared to Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. of last years draft.

As a OG, I'd take both Cooper and Warmack over Martin. The fact that Martin can play RT gives me some pause though. That's some serious value added. If we were rock solid for years ahead at RT it'd be a no-brainer for me. With Free over 30 and being only solid yet unspectacular... still think I prefer Cooper and Warmack but it becomes very close.

 

[jterrell]

I would like to hear everyones opinion of Zack Martin compared to Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. of last years draft.

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MUCH, MUCH stronger guys IMHO.
Cooper was simply a much more gifted athlete in every way.

Martin has more position flex as he is a trained RT that probably fits best at RG and seems a very good day 1 player who reminds me of TFred.
But Warmack and Cooper had Hall of Fame type ceilings if they maxed out.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

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MUCH, MUCH stronger guys IMHO.
Cooper was simply a much more gifted athlete in every way.

Martin has more position flex as he is a trained RT that probably fits best at RG and seems a very good day 1 player who reminds me of TFred.
But Warmack and Cooper had Hall of Fame type ceilings if they maxed out.

This is ridiculous exaggeration. Martin threw up 29 reps at 225, which isn't that much fewer than Cooper. Martin also had better cone time than Cooper and a much, much better shuttle.

 

[jterrell]

This is ridiculous exaggeration. Martin threw up 29 reps at 225, which isn't that much fewer than Cooper. Martin also had better cone time than Cooper and a much, much better shuttle.

strength is very seldom measured in the bench press.
ask any olympic weight lifter.

bench press is effected at a ridiculous rate by arm length.

but when a guy has 33" arms and does 35 reps that's pretty insane. 29 reps IS substantially less than 35 tho still VERY good. ((I can do low 20s and believe that is along way from 29)

the real difference tho is in full body and core strength. the bench lets us know they can deliver a nasty punch which is really mandatory at tackle but lower body strength is key in driving guys out of the hole.
warmack was one of the best prospects in a decade in that area of pure raw strength.

cooper was considered an even better athlete and had a higher ceiling. both were rated as having hall of fame potential... which is why TWO pure guards went so high.

martin is not really very long and thus the desire of scouts to move him inside.
inside questions will be about his run blocking which was only adequate at ND.
he didn't dominate guys in the run game.
he was merely solid in that area and really played much like a pass blocking OT with shorter wingspan.
he also lacks OG experience.
this is a guy who has shot up boards lately but he's never been seen as a top10 prospect. .
warmack and cooper were and in fact both went top 10.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

strength is very seldom measured in the bench press.
ask any olympic weight lifter.

bench press is effected at a ridiculous rate by arm length.

but when a guy has 33" arms and does 35 reps that's pretty insane. 29 reps IS substantially less than 35 tho still VERY good. ((I can do low 20s and believe that is along way from 29)

the real difference tho is in full body and core strength. the bench lets us know they can deliver a nasty punch which is really mandatory at tackle but lower body strength is key in driving guys out of the hole.
warmack was one of the best prospects in a decade in that area of pure raw strength.

cooper was considered an even better athlete and had a higher ceiling. both were rated as having hall of fame potential... which is why TWO pure guards went so high.

martin is not really very long and thus the desire of scouts to move him inside.
inside questions will be about his run blocking which was only adequate at ND.
he didn't dominate guys in the run game.
he was merely solid in that area and really played much like a pass blocking OT with shorter wingspan.
he also lacks OG experience.
this is a guy who has shot up boards lately but he's never been seen as a top10 prospect. .
warmack and cooper were and in fact both went top 10.

None of what you are saying makes any sense considering Cooper and Martin have the exact same arm length (33 inches). The only reason Cooper and Warmack went top 10 is because it was a historically bad draft. This year, they would go in the 20s a la DeCastro.

The fact is you sound ridiculous when you say Cooper is a better athlete than Martin "in every way" and yet Martin beat him handily in multiple combine drills.