Marty B - Let's diagnose

[GimmeTheBall!]

Has anyone been in a situation where they started a job or something that you know you're good at, but there is already someone there that is already the favorite and can seem to do no wrong? I know that happened to me in high school in a couple different organizations, and I'm pretty sure I'm that guy in my workplace right now..

Are you like a factory boss?

 

[casmith07]

Sophomore slump. We'll see if he comes out firing. He's going to have to with John Phillips looking like a Witten clone.

 

[Hoofbite]

Since when is focus and lazy the same thing?

:laugh2:

What do you think focus means?

And now that I think of the quote. He also said something about Spencer getting down to business.

In fact, heres the quote.

“There’s a big difference in the ‘down to business’ of those two guys,” Jerry answered. “Spencer has been down to business since he walked in the door. Bennett can get down to business. I know that he can. …We all see what a tremendous weapon he is and can be. His blocking is really as impressive as his ability to be a big target for [Tony] Romo.

“I’m confident he sees that. He’s extremely smart. He can get it; I think focus would be the word. He will get a lot more tweets if he’s a big-time ballplayer than he will just off of his creative ability.

So besides focusing, he needs to "get down to business".

Yeah, that's ****ing lazy. Even disregarding the fact that he hasn't fully learned his assignments, Jerry Jones saying that someone else "gets down to business" and you don't is a pretty big indicator.

 

[Outtayourleague]

:laugh2:

What do you think focus means?

And now that I think of the quote. He also said something about Spencer getting down to business.

In fact, heres the quote.



So besides focusing, he needs to "get down to business".

Yeah, that's ****ing lazy. Even disregarding the fact that he hasn't fully learned his assignments, Jerry Jones saying that someone else "gets down to business" and you don't is a pretty big indicator.

I have to agree with you. Bennett needs to start getting down to business or he will be out of a job with the cowboys :starspin

 

[CowboyMike]

Are you like a factory boss?

No. I'm a car rental agent at the airport, and I'm doing it while I go to school.

Not everyone in El Paso works in a factory, you *******. I'd appreciate it if you stopped being a racist ******* about my hometown. You bring it up in every reply you make to me. Stop.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

:laugh2:

What do you think focus means?

And now that I think of the quote. He also said something about Spencer getting down to business.

In fact, heres the quote.



So besides focusing, he needs to "get down to business".

Yeah, that's ****ing lazy. Even disregarding the fact that he hasn't fully learned his assignments, Jerry Jones saying that someone else "gets down to business" and you don't is a pretty big indicator.

no focus does not mean lazy

he could be working hard but not getting results

 

[7footer]

:laugh2:

What do you think focus means?

And now that I think of the quote. He also said something about Spencer getting down to business.

In fact, heres the quote.



So besides focusing, he needs to "get down to business".

Yeah, that's ****ing lazy. Even disregarding the fact that he hasn't fully learned his assignments, Jerry Jones saying that someone else "gets down to business" and you don't is a pretty big indicator.

Yeah, it's really hard to argue with that assessment of Bennett, especially coming from a very candid quote from Jerry himself.

Jerry usually does his absolute best to stand behind his players no matter what...so the fact that he actually admitted that Bennett needs to focus and that he hasn't yet gotten "down to business" is a huge indicator of just how noticeable it must be to Jerry and the coaching staff.

With the way Phillips is performing, I believe Bennett will have to fight just to remain as the #2 TE, even if he begins playing well and paying attention. Phillips has effectively made Bennett much more expendable than we thought he was alst season, and if the chance were to come along for us to move him now, I think we would take it in a heart beat.

That said, I really hope Marty B gets the memo, and takes the opportunity to turn this boat around before it's too late. I don't dislike the guy, and I think he could be a very good player if he would just grow up. However, only time will tell if he will actually take advantage of the tremendous opportunity he's been given as a member of the most elite pro football organization in the world.

 

[dcfanatic]

Here's the audio from the show...

July 29th Clip

Just some thoughts.

Listening to Bryan Broaddus the last few days. He's being checking out Martellus working out on the side with the trainers and he's a little worried about his conditioning for his first day of practice tomorrow.

The Coach is this audio is Coach Bartel. Longtime friend who has coaches at the NCAA level and is now coaching in Texas as a high school D Cor. He's referencing a few people he talked to about the Martellus situation who are very close with Witten. I know exactly who he's talking about and it's legit. He's told me a bunch of times about having lunch with the guys and Jason Witten.

 

[Apluz]

I just got done listening to DCFanatic and Hos, it was a tremendous show and a few things were said about Bennett by both Hos and coach that made me officially change my stance on the subject.

For those that didn't listen I will bullet a few points to help ease the transition

Bennett
- Romo can't rely on him to be where he is supposed to be..thus, without that trust the ball will not go his way
- Both Bennett and Phillips have had the wonderful opportunity to learn from arguably the best tight end in the NFL and Phillips has taken it and run with it (and vastly improved his game) and Bennett has taken it in one ear and let it go out the other ear

With all of this being said what is Bennett's real problem?

- lack of work ethic?
- immature/doesn't care?
- is he giving it his best and it just hasn't clicked yet
- other?

Whatever the case may be, the important question here is can ANYONE and I mean ANYONE name one player in the history of the NFL (and I am not saying you can't because I hope you can) that is similar to Martellus Bennett and eventually turned it around and reached their potential?

Now, I know there are going to be dozens of names flying around that people name that were talented that took a few years to click but that is NOT what I am looking for. Let's not compare Marty B to a Tony Romo or a Miles Austin who took a few years and finally turned into all pro players because that is not the situation that Marty B is in.

I am looking for someone who comes across as if they do not care / unwilling to put the work involved that requires to be great that eventually changed that mindset and got things turned around. My opinion is that the hardest bad habit to break is laziness and if indeed Marty B just isn't willing to do the work then I don't think that will ever change.

I am by no means saying that this is the problem with Marty B, I am strictly just asking because I have no idea what his problem is and I am hoping that maybe someone on here has a clue because I don't.

I am starting to think that it just might be time to give up and Marty B and let JP's star begin to shine

Bennett works hard on the field... but he is obviously not real receptive to coach (Hard Knocks) and a coach can't baby him or he will take advantage. Bennett will listen to coaching but only if he is afraid not too.

Once off the field I get the feeling Bennett puts football on the back burner I mean I doubt he watches any film on his own in an attempt to get better, I doubt he monitors his diet in order to have energy and strength on game days ect ect.

A guy that didn't take the game seriously but turned it around is Chris Carter. Carter had talent in spades but was a big ol kid while in Philly he even had a drug problem but matured and turned his life and career around and now is a mentor to kids in and out of the league.

That said... this is the NFL the Not For Long league like Jerry Glanville said you do not get a whole lot of time to waste growing up. Bennett needs to step up or get to stepping!

 

[Apluz]

Here's the audio from the show...

July 29th Clip

Just some thoughts.

Listening to Bryan Broaddus the last few days. He's being checking out Martellus working out on the side with the trainers and he's a little worried about his conditioning for his first day of practice tomorrow.

The Coach is this audio is Coach Bartel. Longtime friend who has coaches at the NCAA level and is now coaching in Texas as a high school D Cor. He's referencing a few people he talked to about the Martellus situation who are very close with Witten. I know exactly who he's talking about and it's legit. He's told me a bunch of times about having lunch with the guys and Jason Witten.

Can't really tell anything watching a guy rehab though. Often those guys are pushed harder then the guys practicing with little to know rest between the different activities they are put through.

Teams make sure that rehab is no joke so no player wants to stay rehabbing long.

 

[Trendnet]

Uh yeah you kind of did.

Let me ask you this, what has Phillips done that Bennett has not?

Bennett had more catches and touchdowns as rookie and had more catches and yards last year.

I never seen 7 catches for 62 yards , from the Fullback position mean so much.

+1

Seriously... It's not like Phillips was a world beater in his rookie season.

And he's having a great camp... just like Bennett did in his sophmore season.

Bennett will still be the #2 TE when the season starts, catch around 20 passes, make dumb comments... the fans will get all upset.

Phillips will still be the #3 TE, play some H-Back and Full-Back... have a game where he catches 2 passes for 9 yards and the fans will act like he's the second coming of Witten.

 

[dbair1967]

I am not suggesting that Marty B is lazy..I am asking if that is what his problem is..

I dont know that he has a "problem" on the field. His blocking was superb last year. He didnt catch many passes and did have a couple of drops, but the 2nd TE here is not going to put up huge numbers.

I think people need to quit crucifying him for now, at least until he gets on the field in TC and preseason and we see how he does.

 

[burmafrd]

he dropped balls and busted routes and Romo quit trusting him. Call it what you want but that is what happened. Now he has to prove to Romo that he is reliable. And part of that is showing just how important football is to him; which he has NOT done.

 

[Trendnet]

he dropped balls and busted routes and Romo quit trusting him. Call it what you want but that is what happened. Now he has to prove to Romo that he is reliable. And part of that is showing just how important football is to him; which he has NOT done.

Yea!

Making YouTube videos is baaaaddd.....

 

[Biggems]

I wish we would have traded him to the Bengals when we had the chance. We could have used that high draft pick to upgrade our OL or Secondary. I know at the time we felt keeping him was more valuable...but Phillips has turned out to be quite the pleasant surprise. I also like Sicko.

Bennett is always hurt...and when he does play, he drops easy passes. It is like he has never been able to find his rhythm with us. I think he has the potential to be a very good TE in the NFL.....maybe a change of scenery, to the AFC, would be quite beneficial for him.

 

[Hoofbite]

no focus does not mean lazy

he could be working hard but not getting results

So what is "getting down to business"?

 

[Hoofbite]

I dont know that he has a "problem" on the field. His blocking was superb last year. He didnt catch many passes and did have a couple of drops, but the 2nd TE here is not going to put up huge numbers.

I think people need to quit crucifying him for now, at least until he gets on the field in TC and preseason and we see how he does.

He was drafted to be more than a blocker.

He just hasn't lived up to the expectations.

Not much more to be said.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I believe he doesn't really love playing football. First of all, this is exactly the same guy he was in college. Loved drawing attention to himself with the media and entertaining, but disappeared on the field.

As I said on another thread ...... I listened to Phillips on GAC and they jokingly asked him if he had seen Bennett's nude photos on the internet, and he said he doesn't even get on the computer much ... he eats, breaths and sleeps football and/or hunting. That's a guy who loves playing football. Contrast that to how much time Marty B allocates to making Youtube videos, working on his rap career, coming up with "comedy" bits. That's a guy who loves entertaininng. It's no surprise one guy is playing mistake free football midway through his rookie year and one guy is still lining up wrong and running sloppy routes in OTAs going into his 3rd year. Marty B's defenders love to cling to this idea that he's this phenomenal blocker, but I guarantee you he graded out poorly in his blocking percentages. If he's not putting in the time to know his route and alignment assignments consistently, then he's not putting in the time to know his blocking assignments consistently.

That may not even mean Marty B is lazy per se, just he's in the wrong career. If he was working on some sort of sketch, improv comedy troop he might put in 70 hours a week, because he would be doing what he loved. I used to watch Shawn Bradley play with the Mavs, and it was obvious he just hated playing basketball. He was this amicable, good natured guy who just looked miserable out on the court. He was an accoutant or software engineer personality who just happened to be born with a 7'6" body that he could use to make millions of dollars, but he didn't really love or even enjoy basketball. I think Martellus Wiley is great on ESPN. He's very slick at it and he obviously comes prepared. He was a sloppy, undisciplined football player. He obviously loves being on camera more than he loves playing football field. Same thing with Marty B.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I dont know that he has a "problem" on the field. His blocking was superb last year. He didnt catch many passes and did have a couple of drops, but the 2nd TE here is not going to put up huge numbers.

I think people need to quit crucifying him for now, at least until he gets on the field in TC and preseason and we see how he does.

Ummm, the Cowboys designed and implemented a 2-TE offensive system for 2009, specifically to take advantage of Marty B as a receiver. Result: he flamed out. Coaches knew Witten would be doubled and the hope was for Marty B to dominate against LBs and Ss; instead he was constantly under-executing and a big reason why the red-zone offense struggled to produce.

As far as who is "crucifying" who, the coaches are implementing a 3-WR set schem for 2010, effectively replacing the second receiving TE with a WR. Couple that with Jerry Jones' assertion that Marty B lacks focus and needs more of it, I think these two developments speak volumes of any expectations of Bennett being more than just a blocker.

So I expect to see fewer 2-TE sets in 2010, and of those the Cowobys use, I expect Bennett to be the TE used on running downs (unless they use an H-Back/FB type in which case Phillips would be the TE used) and Phillips mainly on passing downs.

 

[superonyx]

I think the problem with Bennett is he just doesnt have the right instincts for the game. I dont know that you can teach what he needs to learn. If you look at Witten and Novacek before him you will see 2 guys that were not the most physically gifted players in the game. Yet they both had football smarts. This is very important for a TE to have. The reason Witten is so effective is he knows how to read coverages on the fly and adjust to them. Sure he is big and uses his body to shield smaller defenders but its more than that. How many times have you seen Witten make a catch in the center of the field where the LB's hang out? He isnt just out running them. He is out smarting them. He reads them and their coverages and quickly knows where the soft spot in the defense is and he takes advantage of it.

Its not that different than why Romo is a great QB. Its not his physical skills. Its his football instincts. Romo reads defenses and has such a quick reaction to what he sees.

This applies to every position on the field. But especially positions where you assignments are in crowded and congested parts of the field. You have to have football smarts to catch so many passes when you are not faster or more athletic than the guys you are competing with.

Bennett just lacks that. You cant teach it. I bet if we could watch film breakdowns we would see where Bennett didnt make the adjustments with his routes when he needed to and Witten does. The QB only has 3 seconds to get rid of the ball so your reaction time as a TE better be correct and instant. Otherwise the ball is going elsewhere.

Overall. I dont care about Bennett. If he stays that fine. If he goes then thats fine too. He hasnt shown me anything as a player to care about his career in Dallas.