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Well....i tell myself this every year, but i think i actually believe it this year....the mavs are up at halftime in game 1 against the spurs, and are looking so far to be the better TEAM thus far....please god let this be the year we finnaly get past San Antonio. I cant wait another year.....GO MAVS
 

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Sad end to the game. I hate all the non-calls when Bowen is slapping Dirk like a girl constantly...
 

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I just dont understand it.


Bowen was just absolutely hacking Dirk today and they refuse to call it.

But these touch fouls will get called all day on Duncan.


I dont understand why they just wont call the game even.


Even if the Mavs win that game today I dont like their chances at all in the series because there is no way we can beat them 4 games if thats how its going to be officiated.
 

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The fact is, you can't breathe on Duncan without getting called, while Bowen and his dirty, hands on defense rarely if ever gets called.
 

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Man, I've never seen so much crying in one thread. ;)

No one ever said the refs were fair in the NBA, but I can gurantee you star players like Dirk get it a lot easier than Joe Scrub.

It's the playoffs. It's tough, physical, and the refs always go a lot easier on the calls.

If Dirk can't take it, you don't deserve to go to the Finals. The Spurs did the exact same thing they did in one of the regular season games.
 

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It's the playoffs. It's tough, physical, and the refs always go a lot easier on the calls.


What?


Dude did you watch the game.


Duncan gets breathed on and they call it a foul but yet Bowen can slap the hell out of Dirk and get away with it the entire game.


They are calling touch fouls in the paints and letting them beat and bang around the perimeter. It's all backwards and that helps out San Antonio.

All I ask for is a evenly called game. So if your going to call those fouls for Tim Duncan when he barely gets touched then you gotta call those fouls against Bowen when hes slapping Dirk.

Just look how hard Bowen slapped Dirk on that last play. 1 of many that got overlooked.
 

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CATCH17 said:
What?


Dude did you watch the game.


Duncan gets breathed on and they call it a foul but yet Bowen can slap the hell out of Dirk and get away with it the entire game.


They are calling touch fouls in the paints and letting them beat and bang around the perimeter. It's all backwards and that helps out San Antonio.

All I ask for is a evenly called game. So if your going to call those fouls for Tim Duncan when he barely gets touched then you gotta call those fouls against Bowen when hes slapping Dirk.

Just look how hard Bowen slapped Dirk on that last play. 1 of many that got overlooked.

You sound like a Lakers fan. They cry more than anyone I know over fouls. If your best excuse for your team is poor officiating then your team wasn't meant to win a ring. Don't worry, your owner is the biggest crybaby of them all when it comes to poor officiating. I'm sure if it's an issue, he'll let everyone know and rack up the fines. ;)

And if you don't know that the refs let a lot more of the physical stuff slide in the Playoffs, then you haven't been watching the NBA. That's just the way it is this time of year. Seven footers who can't consistently take it to the paint are just asking to be abused.
 

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CATCH17 said:
I just dont understand it.


Bowen was just absolutely hacking Dirk today and they refuse to call it.

But these touch fouls will get called all day on Duncan.


I dont understand why they just wont call the game even.


Even if the Mavs win that game today I dont like their chances at all in the series because there is no way we can beat them 4 games if thats how its going to be officiated.

The game was called evenly... both teams had approximately the same number of fouls called on them, and Bowen had 4 called on him. He plays tough, legal defense.

Face it, your trio of talentless lugs in the middle can possibly defend Duncan 1-on-1, and when they try, they're gonna have to foul.
 

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Yeah, this was a hard game to swallow considering the advantage Dallas had being so rested and San Antonio having a quick turnaround from Sacramento. I thought they played very well except for letting Tim Duncan run amock on them inside. Where was the D there? That, their terrible free throw shooting, and the little mistakes and poor concentration down the stretch were what really cost them.

If they want a chance at taking this series and finally getting past the Spurs they HAVE to win Game 2 Tuesday night and actually hold on to the lead in the 4th quarter.
 

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The Real Mavs Man said:
Yeah, this was a hard game to swallow considering the advantage Dallas had being so rested and San Antonio having a quick turnaround from Sacramento. I thought they played very well except for letting Tim Duncan run amock on them inside. Where was the D there? That, their terrible free throw shooting, and the little mistakes and poor concentration down the stretch were what really cost them.

If they want a chance at taking this series and finally getting past the Spurs they HAVE to win Game 2 Tuesday night and actually hold on to the lead in the 4th quarter.

Spurs have had a history of losing games this year after little rest. This one had me worried with the quick turnaround and even an earlier starting time! Duncan, Ginobilli and a few others have been hobbled all year. So yeah, I think it's bad that Dallas couldn't grab this first one, considering the Spurs record after such short rest.
 

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The game was called evenly... both teams had approximately the same number of fouls called on them, and Bowen had 4 called on him. He plays tough, legal defense.

Face it, your trio of talentless lugs in the middle can possibly defend Duncan 1-on-1, and when they try, they're gonna have to foul.

No, Bowen plays hands on, illegal defense. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Michael Finley or Michael Redd, all of whom he has either injured or attempted to injure with his infamous "Stick my foot under yours and let you come down on it" move. Vince Carter has had his ankle sprained TWICE from this dirty crap. Hell, he kicked Wally Schzerbiak in the face. Bowen is the dirtiest player since Karl Malone, even a recent poll of players had him as the dirtiest player in basketball.

Let's not forget Bowen's nasty habit of tripping players, which he did to Dirk in the final few seconds, not that it was going to be called.

On the flipside, had Josh Howard done that to Tim Duncan with 10 seconds left, a foul is called and Duncan goes to the line. Tim Duncan gets more calls than anyone in the game (and he STILL whines more than any other player, even when he DOES get the call).

Now, Jerry Stackhouse was stupid, I'll give you that. Damp had Duncan completely sealed off and Stack could have easily gone in for an uncontested layup, but instead he tried an impossible 3 for the win. However, it never should have come to that. You cant trip a guy and get away with it. Unfortuneatly, Joey Crawford has a long standing hate for Mark Cuban and Dallas has a worse record with him as the ref than with any other officiating crew. You do the math.

The thing that I'm optimistic about: Dirk, Terry, Daniels, and pretty much everyone but Stackhouse and Howard sucked, Duncan had probably the best game he will have all series, and Dallas still would have won if Dirk, the 4th best FT shooter in the game, hits those FTs he missed.
 

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Look at the pic I posted in the other thread... Bowen didn't trip him or otherwise foul him. Dirk lost control and choked on the situation. Dirk needs to learn how to play big in big situations if they're going to have any chance to win a title.

Believe me, the Pistons and Ben Wallace aren't going to be playing patty-cake with him... they know how to play defense too.
 

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"But these touch fouls will get called all day on Duncan."

"Duncan gets breathed on and they call it a foul..."

"The fact is, you can't breathe on Duncan without getting called..."

Is this one of those "touch/breathe" fouls?

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v321/Schenk/DiopFoul.gif


I defy you to show me a single foul of Bowen's in that game as "dirty" as this. Heck, he's going at it with both hands... :lmao2:

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v321/Schenk/DampierFoul.gif
 

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Danny White said:
"But these touch fouls will get called all day on Duncan."

"Duncan gets breathed on and they call it a foul..."

"The fact is, you can't breathe on Duncan without getting called..."

Is this one of those "touch/breathe" fouls?

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v321/Schenk/DiopFoul.gif


I defy you to show me a single foul of Bowen's in that game as "dirty" as this. Heck, he's going at it with both hands... :lmao2:

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v321/Schenk/DampierFoul.gif

:lmao: :bow:
 

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I don't like complaining about fouls as the result of a game. I think there were really bad calls and no calls on BOTH ends, so it's useless to argue that point.

I do think Duncan played better than he has in QUITE some time. He looked like the duncan of 3-4 years ago out there - it was crazy.

Anytime the put Diop in I cringed - I really like him, but his inexperience showed as Duncan took him to the floor.

That being said - I didn't expect to go undefeated in the playoffs or this series, so as much as it hurt, I still think we have great chances in this series. The only real bummer was that it was game one in their house. we HAVE to win game two.
 

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Danny White said:
"But these touch fouls will get called all day on Duncan."

"Duncan gets breathed on and they call it a foul..."

"The fact is, you can't breathe on Duncan without getting called..."

Is this one of those "touch/breathe" fouls?

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v321/Schenk/DiopFoul.gif


I defy you to show me a single foul of Bowen's in that game as "dirty" as this. Heck, he's going at it with both hands... :lmao2:

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v321/Schenk/DampierFoul.gif

Not to debate - like I said, both teams had plenty of garbage calls and no calls. But do you happen to have any photos of Manu's flops A La Vlade Divac?

Regarding Bowen - he plays fantastic defense, always has, would love to have him on the team. But the fact is that ALL great defenders go too far sometimes and get physical. When that happens, fouls need to be called on them to keep them honest. Not as much at the end, but I can think of a few points in the game that Bowen needed those calls.

Works both ways, though. I think we travel often in games and don't get called for it.
 

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espn insider article said:
Bowen bugs, hugs DirkBy Chris Sheridan, ESPN Insider

SAN ANTONIO -- Bruce Bowen didn't merely drape himself all over Dirk Nowitzki's body. He also crawled into his head.
Take a look at a sampling of Nowitzki's postgame comments Sunday after he made just one basket in the fourth quarter and nearly threw the ball away on Dallas' final possession in an 87-85 loss to San Antonio in Game 1 of their Western Conference semifinal series:


"I'm not going to get any open looks in this series. I already know that."

Or this one:

"I know I'm not going to score 35 a game in this series."


Despite standing nearly a half-foot taller than the defensive specialist assigned to guard him, Nowitzki grew increasingly flummoxed as the afternoon wore on Sunday to the point where the look on his face went from normal to quizzical to queasy.

And on the final play, when Dallas got the ball into his hands near the top of the circle, he stumbled so quickly in the face of an onrushing second defender that he fired the ball to Jerry Stackhouse in the corner rather than waiting for Stackhouse to cut to the basket as coach Avery Johnson had intended the play to unfold. Manu Ginobili deflected the pass, and Stackhouse managed only a desperation heave from the corner that missed everything to end a compelling, competitive game between the two best teams in the West.

More of the same should be in store as we move through the next two weeks. Unless, of course, the doubts in Nowitzki's head continue to rattle around up there like one of Bowen's foul shots. And with a full dose of the same close coverage coming his way for the foreseeable future, that possibility cannot be dismissed.

"It's what you call 'bear-hug defense,'" Mavs coach Avery Johnson said afterward. "That's the new NBA rule. That's what's going on, and I've got to try to formulate or simulate a drill to help him. If a bear comes up to you and hugs you, what's he going to do?"

Johnson left his own question unanswered, but you don't need to be a Discovery Channel regular or a National Geographic Explorer aficionado to know what happens when a bear hugs a human.

The bear wins. And it ain't a pretty loss for the human.

But Bowen wasn't bear hugging Nowitzki so much as he was pestering him like an oversized insect. He was a gnat with his hands and arms, keeping one or the other on Nowitzki at all times, grabbing and clutching occasionally, and with enough discretion, that the refs never called him on it.

We've all seen him do the same to Kobe Bryant and every other scorer in the league, most recently against Bonzi Wells of Sacramento in the latter stages of the Kings-Spurs first-round series, and now it's the big blonde German's turn to try to find a way to repel him. Bowen has guarded Nowitzki before, but never with the stakes this high.

"This has the feel of an NBA Finals," said Bowen, who shrugged it off when Johnson's bear hug comment was relayed to him. "It used to bother me. You would think you try to earn the respect of other coaches, and you'd think they'd be happy with what you do because you give 110 percent. But it's something that's said a lot, so add him to the mini-list of others who want to say stuff."

The task for Johnson in the next two days will include not only inventing a drill to simulate Bowen's defense but also giving some serious thought to sending a few more double-teams at Tim Duncan.

The Mavs tried to stop the Big Fundamental with single coverage about 90 percent of the time -- using DeSagana Diop, Erick Dampier and DJ Mbenga -- and Duncan ate it up with a display of his offensive arsenal rarely seen during this regular season, when his scoring average was the lowest of his career.

"It was like it was in my rookie year when we were going through him all the time," Tony Parker said.

Dallas got away with leaving Parker (7-for-18) open on the perimeter, and they contained Ginobili enough (15 points on 5-for-14 shooting, five turnovers) to put themselves in position to win.

Bowen's 3-pointer from the corner with 2:14 remaining gave the Spurs their final points and broke an 84-84 tie.

Six missed shots later, the game came down to one final possession, and Nowitzki was too blanketed by Bowen to finish his job as the first option.

"I knew they were going to go to Dirk, and my thing was I'm going to make this as tough as possible for him -- tougher even than his other shots," Bowen said. "He started stumbling, and if he tries to shoot the ball stumbling it's going to be a bad shot."

But that wasn't even Nowitzki's final stumble. As he left the postgame interview podium after telling everyone how he wouldn't score 35 in the series or get any open looks, he nearly tripped over a chair while exiting stage right.

It shouldn't surprise anyone if it was Bowen who put that chair there.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060508

Bottom Line is Dirk has to score more than 2 points in the 4th Quarter. Dirk cannot create his own shot like Terry and Stackhouse, so Bowen is going to give him fits. And Dirk needs to keep those comments to himself because it is letting Bowen know that he got in his head.
 
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