McFadden Isn't Worth #1 Pick!

[big dog cowboy]

With the way the the current rules are against CB's - you have a very legitimate point here and I am surprised more teams aren't spreading it out. I think you're gonna see a lot more of it.

The way the game is changing, you have to be able to pass the ball and stop the pass. We have seen it this year when Romo struggled or our D couldn't stop the pass.

 

[starfrombirth]

I believe Dallas will settle for a guy like Ray Rice later in the draft...

Ray Rice is too much like MBIII to make this a viable option. He isn't fast by any means.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

If Ds are currently designed to slow down passing attacks then there should be a niche opening for an offense with a great clock consuming running attack, which would begin obviously with having a great RB or two. A great RB would force teams to leave 8 in the box, which opens them up to the pass.

 

[burmafrd]

Its really CAP space that is the big arguement against taking Mcfadden.
When the next TV contract is negotiated in 3 years, the cap is NOT going to be going up 6-7 mil a year. It will be stagnant or barely rise. You cannot afford to spend that much of your space on anyone other then a QB. No RB, O lineman, DL, LB, S or even WR. CB- maybe; but that is it Unless you are going with a bus driver as QB and you want to run the ball to win; and how many are going to try that in Todays NFL?

 

[03EBZ06]

Ray Rice is too much like MBIII to make this a viable option. He isn't fast by any means.

I disagree. Ray Rice is a shifty running, different than MBIII, their running styles aren't close at all and Rice is faster than MBIII, therefore, I believe they would make a good tandum.

 

[sbark]

Its really CAP space that is the big arguement against taking Mcfadden.
When the next TV contract is negotiated in 3 years, the cap is NOT going to be going up 6-7 mil a year. It will be stagnant or barely rise. You cannot afford to spend that much of your space on anyone other then a QB. No RB, O lineman, DL, LB, S or even WR. CB- maybe; but that is it Unless you are going with a bus driver as QB and you want to run the ball to win; and how many are going to try that in Todays NFL?

Appears to me the NFL is working toward, or setting up a cushion with their NFL Network to buffer the day the networks go stagnent etc

I could see a day, ala espn 1,2, classic etc, where the nfl has subchannels carrying the diff. divisions on the same sunday.........

there are too many smart businessmen in the nfl, they may not all be smart nfl personnel, or nfl gm's, but they are smart businessmen, smart marketers. They see an angle with the NFL Network

 

[khiladi]

The way the game is changing, you have to be able to pass the ball and stop the pass. We have seen it this year when Romo struggled or our D couldn't stop the pass.

As I said before, teams could stop the pass prior to these ridiculous rule changes. CBs already have a hard enough time stopping WRs man-to-man, because the latter have a clear advantage. WRs don't have to back-peddle to cover a WR going full-speed and at the same time worry about tackling the guy underneath.

I don't see what is so revolutionary about the Patriots offense this year. It is a bit of the run-and-shoot and West Coast. Spread the field with receivers and throw the ball. But now, with all the rules implemented against CNS, you see a hell of a lot more zone-coverages, and because of that, you get dink-and-dunk football.

Nothing gets me more excited that a defense on 3rd and a few yards making a stop. Nowadays, you got teams coverting easily on 3rd and long, simply because of the soft zone coverage. It's absurd.

 

[khiladi]

He didn't say teams were moving away from RBs. He's just saying that teams are opting to take them lower.

When was the last time a running back was chosen No.1 overall?

He makes a good point. You can find running backs anywhere. But, as JJT said, if McFadden drops below the fifth pick, he's worth the pick.

And QBs bust all the time at Number 1, and so do WRs. OL taken number 1 bust all the time. Has JJT done any real statistical comparison between the various positions to determine who busts more? CBs bust plenty in the NFL.

The fact is, you draft based upon potential and talent. A player like McFadden is not a Trent Green or Tony Madarich, or Michael Westbrook at Number 3. He isn't a Curvin Richards, or Blair Thomas. McFadden isn't going to drop to number 5 unless he gets in a car accident and his knee gets shot.

He is going number 1 based upon projected talent. And the only reason he won't go number 1 is only if the team that is drafting number 1 has too much invested in their RB position.

 

[superpunk]

Just because teams arent taking backs doesnt mean that premise isn't flawed. After this season, I don't think there's any question that Ronnie Brown, LT, and AD should have been the #1 picks in their respective drafts.

 

[khiladi]

Just because teams arent taking backs doesnt mean that premise isn't flawed. After this season, I don't think there's any question that Ronnie Brown, LT, and AD should have been the #1 picks in their respective drafts.

That is exactly what I stated. Just because teams are going with the latest flavor, doesn't mean it is a good thing.

If the Vikings had a somewhat decent QB, they would be a realy competitor in the NFC East. San Diego has come on strong as of late, and it is only the inconsistency of Phillip Rivers that keeps them from a better record.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ray Rice is too much like MBIII to make this a viable option. He isn't fast by any means.

Emmitt wasn't fast at all and we used him 100% of the time. Why would it be bad to use Barber and Rice 100% of the time?

I understand why you're saying we need a speed guy to complement Barber... but I'd much rather have had another Barber this year instead of Jones who is faster.

I say just get another good RB to compliment Marion, no matter if that guy is a burner or just an average speed guy who is a slasher with great vision. A good RB is a good RB.

All else being equal, I'd rather have a speed guy to go with Barber... but don't take someone with questionable instincts and vision just because he's fast. We'll end up with another Julius Jones if we do.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually QBs, RBs, LTs and WRs taken in the first five have a very high bust ratio. Its like 50%. CBs are usually taken outside of the first 5; and they have a much lower bust factor. I think thats because CBs are out there one on one mostly with WRs and you can see what they do and how they do it. Unlike LTs who are on the line and many factors can clowd just how good or bad they really are; and same for college QBs and RBs and WRs. CBs are not dependent on QBs to throw them the ball like WRs; or QBs to have good blocking, coaching, WRs, etc; or RBs to have good blocking.
If a CB has the speed and quickness, and shows an ability to anticipate and read QBs, and react well to the moves of the WRs, then the bust factor risk is much lower because you can easily SEE all that without anything else getting in the way.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Again, Jerry absolutley loves the kid. The decision is in the Jones' families hand, even if it isn't the best move for our football team. Aside from boatloads of money tied up in a 2-back system, I don't see too many negatives.

Outside of cornerback, I think our team is very deep. At WR, I see Crayton/Hurd/Austin being a solid supporting cast for T.O. and a healthy Glenn next year. So the WR/CB in the first round thing would just make us invest heavily in guys to sit and watch until Newman/Henry/T.O./Glenn go out to the pasture.

My theory: Jerry moves up, not necessarily to # 1 to grab McFadden. We draft WR and CB in the later rounds, and go after a veteran CB in FA.

 

[mmillman]

McFadden is a stud and will be an instant impact player. Dallas needs an injection of speed and youth on offense. If it isn't McFadden then it should be a speedy wr or slaton.

 

[5mics]

Last time I checked, you take the best player in the draft #1, to do anything different would be stupid because you would be paying #1 money to someboyd who is only the 2nd or 3rd best player. VERY DUMB.

McFadden is hands down the best player in this draft, no QB, WR, OL, or defensiver player is rated as high as McFadden. If he is not worthy of being the first pick, nobody in this draft is. If there is a 50% chance I just drafted the next LT, I would be all over that! As far as this is a passing league and QBs are more important than RBs.....

The Falcons passed on LT and took Vick, how did that work out?

Couldn't agree w/ you more.

 

[5mics]

Again, Jerry absolutley loves the kid. The decision is in the Jones' families hand, even if it isn't the best move for our football team. Aside from boatloads of money tied up in a 2-back system, I don't see too many negatives.

Outside of cornerback, I think our team is very deep. At WR, I see Crayton/Hurd/Austin being a solid supporting cast for T.O. and a healthy Glenn next year. So the WR/CB in the first round thing would just make us invest heavily in guys to sit and watch until Newman/Henry/T.O./Glenn go out to the pasture.

My theory: Jerry moves up, not necessarily to # 1 to grab McFadden. We draft WR and CB in the later rounds, and go after a veteran CB in FA.

Say we had a home-run hitter, franchise RB like McFadden in the backfield. Think Austin, Hurd, and Stanback would have an easier time getting open along w/ T.O. and Witten? I do; that's what McFadden would bring. Force the defense to concentrate on him and allow our passing game to flourish even more.....