Melton Deal vs Hatcher Deal

[ABQcowboyJR]

Here are some specifics I was able to gather up from rotoworld and various tweets.

Henry Melton
2014- $5 mill
2015-2017 (3 year option) $24 mill with $9 guaranteed

Jason Hatcher (4 year 27.5 mill)
10.5 mil guaranteed, $9 mill signing bonus
2014 - $1.5 mill
2015 - $3 mill
2016 - $6.5 mill
2017 - $7.5 mill

I personally think that the boys got the better deal because they got the better player. Money wise the skins might have got the better deal because after year one Hatch becomes expendable contract wise. What do you guys think?

 

[CashMan]

Here are some specifics I was able to gather up from rotoworld and various tweets.

Henry Melton
2014- $5 mill
2015-2017 (3 year option) $24 mill with $9 guaranteed

Jason Hatcher (4 year 27.5 mill)
10.5 mil guaranteed, $9 mill signing bonus
2014 - $1.5 mill
2015 - $3 mill
2016 - $6.5 mill
2017 - $7.5 mill

I personally think that the boys got the better deal because they got the better player. Money wise the skins might have got the better deal because after year one Hatch becomes expendable contract wise. What do you guys think?

So, one had/has an torn ACL, one had 11.5 sacks last year.

 

[Doomsday101]

So, one had/has an torn ACL, one had 11.5 sacks last year.

One is 31 and on the tail end and other other is 27. Kind of funny a couple of years ago not many here sang the praise of Hatcher now after 1 good season he deserved the big bucks? lol

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

So, one had/has an torn ACL, one had 11.5 sacks last year.

Yes, but I think it is fair to say that Melton has had the better career and is 27 as opposed to 31.

 

[speedkilz88]

5 million is the max he can make in 2014


http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4725914/breaking-down-henry-meltons-contract

IRVING, Texas -- Henry Melton will make as little as $2.25 million with the Dallas Cowboys in 2014 and as much as $29 million over the next four seasons, according to league sources.

The Cowboys gave Melton, who is coming back from a torn anterior cruciate ligament, a $1 million signing bonus as part of the deal he agreed to Tuesday night with a $1.25 million base salary. He can earn an extra $78,125 per week if he is on the 46-man roster, maxing out at $1.25 million. His first-year cap number at present is $1.734 million but will grow through the season each week he is on the gameday roster.

The kicker in the deal comes in 2015 when he would earn a fully guaranteed $9 million base salary. The base salaries in 2016-17 are $7.5 million each.

There are also $1.5 million in incentives in the deal for playing time and sacks in 2014.

The Cowboys have to exercise the option on the final three years of the deal by the first day of the 2015 league year. If they don't, then they would have $750,000 in dead money on the cap and Melton will be an unrestricted free agent. If they do, then Melton's cap number in 2015 would be $9.25 million, which the Cowboys could easily restructure to create salary-cap room.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Thanks speed for the added info.

 

[Risen Star]

I would rather invest in Melton. Just due to age.

 

[honyock]

If both players are cut loose after year one, I think the Cowboys easily got the better deal financially. The Skins are still on the hook for the remainder of Hatchers $10.5M in cap hits. Dallas is free and clear if they let Melton go, and we still don't know the nature of the incentives in Melton's contract for 2014. If he doesn't produce, he may not earn anywhere near that $5M.

Edit thanks for the contract info speedkikz, that's the first I had seen of that.

 

[Alexander]

The Cowboys have to exercise the option on the final three years of the deal by the first day of the 2015 league year. If they don't, then they would have $750,000 in dead money on the cap and Melton will be an unrestricted free agent.

This is why it is such a great deal. Almost too good to be true.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

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Here are some specifics I was able to gather up from rotoworld and various tweets.

Henry Melton
2014- $5 mill
2015-2017 (3 year option) $24 mill with $9 guaranteed

Jason Hatcher (4 year 27.5 mill)
10.5 mil guaranteed, $9 mill signing bonus
2014 - $1.5 mill
2015 - $3 mill
2016 - $6.5 mill
2017 - $7.5 mill

I personally think that the boys got the better deal because they got the better player. Money wise the skins might have got the better deal because after year one Hatch becomes expendable contract wise. What do you guys think?

Melton is not the better player . He is good but hatcher is better regardless of age .

 

[BigStar]

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Melton is not the better player . He is good but hatcher is better regardless of age .

Hatcher would've been considered a better player if he got to play as a DT in a 4-3 his whole career. Unfortunate really...

 

[Zimmy Lives]

It's all subjective. What is important is which player helps his team win over an extended period of time starting this season.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Hatcher would've been considered a better player if he got to play as a DT in a 4-3 his whole career. Unfortunate really...

Doesn't matter right now hatcher is the better player . Can't really argue with that . Melton is NOT an upgrade from hatcher anyone who thinks this is fooling themselves . Melton is younger that's about it .

 

[BigStar]

Doesn't matter right now hatcher is the better player . Can't really argue with that . Melton is NOT an upgrade from hatcher anyone who thinks this is fooling themselves . Melton is younger that's about it .

I hear ya (some will disagree) but I like Hatcher. His age and furture contribution to this team has passed. Melton's age makes him relevant to the big picture. His contract is also basically a one year prove it deal that will maximize his possible production. It was time to move on.

 

[gimmesix]

Here are some specifics I was able to gather up from rotoworld and various tweets.

Henry Melton
2014- $5 mill
2015-2017 (3 year option) $24 mill with $9 guaranteed

Jason Hatcher (4 year 27.5 mill)
10.5 mil guaranteed, $9 mill signing bonus
2014 - $1.5 mill
2015 - $3 mill
2016 - $6.5 mill
2017 - $7.5 mill

I personally think that the boys got the better deal because they got the better player. Money wise the skins might have got the better deal because after year one Hatch becomes expendable contract wise. What do you guys think?

If Melton is cut after the season, Dallas have paid $5 million or less for his services and doesn't owe him anything else.

If Hatcher is cut after one season, Washington paid $4 million for his services but has to eat $6.75 million in dead money. He's not technically expendable until his third year, when Washington save $2 million off its projected hit by cutting him.

If Dallas keeps Melton, Washington got the better deal moneywise ... but Dallas got a younger players who can likely play out that contract.

 

[CashMan]

One is 31 and on the tail end and other other is 27. Kind of funny a couple of years ago not many here sang the praise of Hatcher now after 1 good season he deserved the big bucks? lol

I am all for younger, and I am not a fan of Hatcher at all. I like the Melton deal a lot, but for anyone to say, Dallas got the better end of the deal, you would have to provide a comparable to Melton. If there was another pass rushing DT who tore his ACL and came back to do the same, then I would say Dallas got the better deal.

Sorta like, AP. Yes I know he is a freak of nature, but if what he was/is able to do, is the new standard for RB, when they have that surgery, then there is something to go by.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I would rather invest in Melton. Just due to age.

Agreed. That 4 year difference is reason enough to like the Melton deal better.

 

[speedkilz88]

I am all for younger, and I am not a fan of Hatcher at all. I like the Melton deal a lot, but for anyone to say, Dallas got the better end of the deal, you would have to provide a comparable to Melton. If there was another pass rushing DT who tore his ACL and came back to do the same, then I would say Dallas got the better deal.

Sorta like, AP. Yes I know he is a freak of nature, but if what he was/is able to do, is the new standard for RB, when they have that surgery, then there is something to go by.

There are tons of DTs who have torn their acl and came back fine. Bob Lilly even played without one.

 

[SkinsFan28]

I actually think both deals work for the team that wrote them and both are good deals. For Dallas, they needed to make sure that Melton had an incentive to get past the ACL, and that he came back strong. That contract seems to give the leverage to Dallas.

From Washington's perspective, we wanted to strengthen the DLine, and Hatcher seems to give us an upgrade. He hasn't been a guy who missed a ton of games, and most deals nowadays are 2 years anyways. For what Washington wanted that was a good contract for us.

 

[jrumann59]

If hatch puts up the same numbers this season as he did last season but playing in a 3-4 he is the better player. But when he was here in his prime years he was pretty unremarkable as a 3-4 DL. The sheer fact that the Commanders looked at his numbers from last season instead of his body of work in other defenses shows their scouting is still suspect. Unless the Commanders are going back to the 4-3.