Miami Hires David Lee as QB coach

[theogt]

Yeah, that's what track record will do for you. If Jerry had turned around three consecutive joke fanchises and Parcells had orchestrated the 1996-2002 Cowboy drafts or hired Barry Switzer the shoe would probably be on the other foot.

Well, when Parcells has as many Super Bowls as Jerry, I'm sure he'll get more credit.

 

[iceberg]

Yeah, damn that Parcells. You know the master franchise rebuilder.

i'm just looking for equal application of rules, that's all.

 

[iceberg]

Yeah, that's what track record will do for you. If Jerry had turned around three consecutive joke fanchises and Parcells had orchestrated the 1996-2002 Cowboy drafts or hired Barry Switzer the shoe would probably be on the other foot.

yea, so instead jones hires parcells, garrett, phillips, owens, l. davis, resigns the talent we need, locks up romo at a good value, hired people we're now whining we lose...

damn that jones.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

yea, so instead jones hires parcells, garrett, phillips, owens, l. davis, resigns the talent we need, locks up romo at a good value, hired people we're now whining we lose...

damn that jones.

Only because Jones was a very, very slow learner.

 

[iceberg]

Only because Jones was a very, very slow learner.

ah! but you admit he's learning!

dear diary, a major breakthrough was made online today...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Why wouldn't it be Ireland's move? Did Ireland never get the chance to meet with David Lee when they worked in the same office building for years?

Lee has followed Parcells around everywhere he goes. It's pretty suspect. I think it was Parcells' decision, but Ireland wasn't going to fight over it.

You sound incredibly bitter about Ireland leaving,

I'm not bitter. I think it didn't matter because Jerry was on board with it in the end. That being said, the entire "Ireland is the final decision maker, winkwink" I guess just needs to be called out.

which is strange because it was unquestionably a good move for him for any objective observer ... as enticing as "He should have stuck around here for 10 years and waited to see what Stephen would do" might be for a young, up and coming 38 year old GM hopeful.

Going from a 13-3 team to a 1-15 team that plays in same division as Belichick is a good move? That doesn't even get into whether or not he's making the final decisions or not.

I look at it as something that was going to happen and Jerry okay'd it. I would've been bitter if Jones wanted Ireland to uphold his contract and the NFL circumvented it. Still, the entire cloak and dagger process is just pretty funny.

Not to mention the entire hypocrisy given the silence of nobody pointing out that they hired an offensive coordinator before they hired a head coach.





YAKUZA

 

[Dave_in-NC]

ah! but you admit he's learning!

dear diary, a major breakthrough was made online today...

I haven't said he wasnt, so far post Parcells. It's going to get interesting soon though.

 

[iceberg]

I look at it as something that was going to happen and Jerry okay'd it. I would've been bitter if Jones wanted Ireland to uphold his contract and the NFL circumvented it. Still, the entire cloak and dagger process is just pretty funny.

Not to mention the entire hypocrisy given the silence of nobody pointing out that they hired an offensive coordinator before they hired a head coach.
YAKUZA

mememememememeididthisidid!!!!

 

[iceberg]

I haven't said he wasnt, so far post Parcells. It's going to get interesting soon though.

usually is and doesn't matter - it's in the diary now.

 

[theogt]

Going from a 13-3 team to a 1-15 team that plays in same division as Belichick is a good move?

From a "personnel man's" perspective, I actually see this as a positive for the Miami job, as long as you're confident you can keep your job if it takes a little while for improvement. Finding talent to replace players on a 1-15 team should be quite a bit easier. And realistically they can go in knowing that absolutely no position is safe. It's a blank slate. That's, thankfully, not the case in Dallas.

 

[Hostile]

i'm just looking for equal application of rules, that's all.

Equal application when the original supposition was that Jerry was back to meddling ways and therefore the sky is falling?

You've got a lot of optimism in that cynical mind of yours.

:wink2:

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Why wouldn't it be Ireland's move? Did Ireland never get the chance to meet with David Lee when they worked in the same office building for years? It's hilarious how anyone could think keeping George Edwards and Steve Hoffman on the staff were Parcells moves.

You sound incredibly bitter about Ireland leaving, which is strange because it was unquestionably a good move for him for any objective observer ... as enticing as "He should have stuck around here for 10 years and waited to see what Stephen would do" might be for a young, up and coming 38 year old GM hopeful. This is one of the drawbacks of having a permament, lifelong General Manager who has absolutely no ability to ever, ever get fired ... any up and coming player personnel guy is going to leave to escape the glass ceiling. It should be a small price to pay if you really believe Jerry is such a great football general manager.

Your response reminds me of when Dennis Green went off in the interview after the loss to the Bears. The reporter didn't even mention anything related to his oncoming rant but Green wanted to vent about about his team chosoing not to be intimidated by the Bears even when he wasn't compelled to do so.

Likewise, Chocalate Lab said nothing about Ireland's motives to join the Dolphins. He was mocking Parcells for hiring Ireland as a puppet since Parcells "may be" the true GM who is making these decisions. His statement had nothing to do with Ireland's motives in joining the Dolphins. You just wanted to rant about the people criticizing Parcells and some of his recent hires. Yes, we get it, you love Bill Parcells

 

[iceberg]

Equal application when the original supposition was that Jerry was back to meddling ways and therefore the sky is falling?

You've got a lot of optimism in that cynical mind of yours.

:wink2:

'eh, there's plenty of room...

 

[mr.jameswoods]

No. Some are still bitter Parcells didn't take a non talented team to the SB in short order.

So let me get this straight. Last years' team was "non talented" but this years team has talent despite it being relatively the same team. So when Parcells couldn't take this team to the Superbowl, it had no talent, yet this team is on the verge of a Superbowl and suddenly Parcells deserves all the credit for acquiring this talent. Pick one because you can't have it both ways

 

[silverbear]

Before he hired a Head Coach?!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh no! The whole fabric of the franchise is going to crumble because of the meddling GM, I mean "Hands Off" Vice President of Football Operations. The Head Coach can't even hire his own coaches.

That's the most completely outrageous thing I've ever heard of... only a truly dysfunctional franchise would run around hiring staff before even hiring the head coach... in a REAL organization, the head coach gets to pick his own staff in its entirety...

Clearly, whoever winds up getting hired in Miami will just be a Parcells puppet, and that apparently includes Jeff Ireland...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

too bad Sean Payton has an HC job already, because all they need is to hire him and Zimmer, and they could have the whole gang back together

BP's mind-control is in full-force, I mean, how else can you explain all these coaches wanting to go back under his dictatorship?

 

[Biggems]

FTW? i have seen this a lot, but have yet to know what it means

 

[Rogerthat12]

too bad Sean Payton has an HC job already, because all they need is to hire him and Zimmer, and they could have the whole gang back together

BP's mind-control is in full-force, I mean, how else can you explain all these coaches wanting to go back under his dictatorship?

Zim is available and sean may be too if his club repeats

 

[Idgit]

Like Ice said, this is hilarious. Jerry got killed for hiring Garrett before the HC, but when Parcells does it, not a peep.

BTW, it's so funny how no one even pretends Ireland is the one making these moves.

You don't sound even slightly bitter, CL, and it is interesting that the GM's not getting any play at all. Parcells is larger than life, though, and there's no doubt he had a plan for restoring the franchise. I'm sure Ireland's completely on board with the hires, too. If and when Parcells gets around to asking him for his opinions, we'll know for sure.

Either way, I hope they build a winner in Miami. Wonder where Jason Taylor will end up?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So let me get this straight. Last years' team was "non talented" but this years team has talent despite it being relatively the same team. So when Parcells couldn't take this team to the Superbowl, it had no talent, yet this team is on the verge of a Superbowl and suddenly Parcells deserves all the credit for acquiring this talent. Pick one because you can't have it both ways

You are right. Last years team was talented. Romo blows a snap and season ends. Bills fault. I do remember year two of the Parcells era, guys claiming SB bound. All because he was able to coach up a miserable roster to 10-6. His first season.
Jerry obviously needed Parcells when he hired him, Parcells did what Jerry hired him to do.

There is plenty of bitterness over that. I don't get it myself.

Oh and we haven't won nothing yet.