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BraveHeartFan;1931015 said:
Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, and Steve Slaton can catch the ball out of the backfield as well and we could get them a LOT cheaper than this.

As far as being able to throw the ball...who cares?

Tony Romo passing or DMac on a trick play? Hmmm...I think I'm going with my QB.


The point is D-Mac is a versatile player. Once he gets into the open field, the guy is gone. He doesn't just catch simple screens, he catches balls downfield. He has thrown a few TD passes. A DB knowing that the RB can throw, will cause some second guessing.

Not to mention, D-Mac has a pretty stout stiff-arm...
 

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So the trade, and all that money is worth it, for his pass blocking? How is he going to be using those hands, that were so sweet, for recieving if he's blocking?

He's not going to be doing both all the time.
 

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BTW, Miami probably doesn't even want Barber. They have Ronnie Brown who was averaging as much as Barber, 5.1 yards per carry, as the feature back. Miami had no QB...
 

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khiladi;1931026 said:
The point is D-Mac is a versatile player. Once he gets into the open field, the guy is gone. He doesn't just catch simple screens, he catches balls downfield. He has thrown a few TD passes. A DB knowing that the RB can throw, will cause some second guessing.

Not to mention, D-Mac has a pretty stout stiff-arm...

And, again, Slaton, Jones, and Johnson get into the open field and they are gone. At least Jones and Johnson can also catch passes downfield.

So we're talking about, again, wanting to give up those picks, a player, and 30 million guarunteed cause people think the corners are going to be worried about DMac pulling up and throwing.

I don't know about you but LT is pretty good at throwing and he attempts about 2-3 passes a year.

2-3 potential passes a year for 30 million? Ummm...No.

Again, you still can get the exact same stuff people are coveting in DMac out of 3 or 4 other backs that very well could be there at the back end of the first round and not have to give up the 3rd or barber or pay them 30 million gaurunteed.
 

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BraveHeartFan;1931028 said:
So the trade, and all that money is worth it, for his pass blocking? How is he going to be using those hands, that were so sweet, for recieving if he's blocking?

He's not going to be doing both all the time.

It's called play-action..

Do you think teams are not going to be worried about D-Mac running the ball... D-backs are gonna be scared out of their minds, especially since we now have Hudson Houck.

D-Mac just needs a small hole, and it's bye-bye....
 

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khiladi;1931029 said:
BTW, Miami probably doesn't even want Barber. They have Ronnie Brown who was averaging as much as Barber, 5.1 yards per carry, as the feature back. Miami had no QB...


Not to mention I don't believe for one second that Miami is moving all the way down to 22, from one, for Barber and an extra 3rd round pick.
 

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I don't think we should do business with Miami. That front office is now loaded with sharks.
Jerra should hestitate big time.
 

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Barber averaged almost 5 yards per carry this year. If thats not scaring D-Backs, and safeties, for the Play Action then I dont think it's going to do much for another back who will average 4-5 yards.

And, again, you get the same break away ability with all the other guys I mentioned (And you can throw Mendenhall in there as well (Spelled his name wrong) ) and not have to give up all the other stuff with it.

I just don't see why anyone is so quick to want to throw 30 million dollars at a runningback when you can get someone with all the same qualities for much, much, much cheaper.
 

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How many times does this need to be said? We are talking about versatility. Arkansas had absolutely no QB, and teams were stacking the box to try and stop him. He couldn't be stopped..

Now, you have DMac with Tony Romo, TO, Jason Williams, and possibly Roy Williams, which I think is pretty much gonna happen... are you freaking kidding me?
 

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BraveHeartFan;1931037 said:
Barber averaged almost 5 yards per carry this year. If thats not scaring D-Backs, and safeties, for the Play Action then I dont think it's going to do much for another back who will average 4-5 yards.

Barber's speed in no way scares d-backs... How many long TDs did Barber break?

The fact is, when we didn't have TO in the game against the Commanders, the team just stacked the line and shut down Barber.... His style is not suited for longevity...
 

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I'll agree that his style isn't built for longevity but if you're going to compare college defenses stacking the box to NFL ones you're absolutely insane.

Without T.O. in there, for the passing game, you could have had DMac in the game and they'd have done the same thing. Stacked the box and shut him down.

I like DMac. He's a wonderful player. And, yes, he's no doubt a better running back threat than Barber.

But unless you can assure me, 100%, that he is the second coming of Barry Sanders in the NFL then I'm NOT giving up Barber, a third rounder, and 30 million dollars guarunteed just because he's got speed and hands.

Not when there are backs just as fast, or fast, with just as good hands that you can get later in the round and rotate with Barber getting a very nice 1-2 punch.
 

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He broke more 20+ yard runs on the year than Julius Jones did. You know...that speed guy.
 

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khiladi;1931038 said:
How many times does this need to be said? We are talking about versatility. Arkansas had absolutely no QB, and teams were stacking the box to try and stop him. He couldn't be stopped..

Now, you have DMac with Tony Romo, TO, Jason Williams, and possibly Roy Williams, which I think is pretty much gonna happen... are you freaking kidding me?
We have a sorry secondary and can fix that and another RB in a VERY deep class to split carries with Barber with our two 1st round picks. But no, we'll just throw that and Barber away for a back that's absolutely unproven and will cost a fortune. Are you freaking kidding me?



And did you see McFadden when they stacked the box against Missouri? Not exactly remarkable.
 

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WHo said D-Mac was just a speed guy? J-Jones has absolutely no vision... D-Mac has great vision, and he isn't just an outside runner like a Reggie Bush. Plenty of his long runs were up the gut of the defense... ANd the guy doesn't fumble the ball. He didn't have a single fumble last year... I don't think he's had a single fumble his whole career. He completed 6 of 11 throws in college, with 4 of them for TDs... That is DBs being scared of this guy...

He also isn't soft, as some people mistakenly assume. He doesn't shy away from contact. Look at his run at the 3 minute mark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcssslTgHBQ

He is just so fast, he outruns the defense... Look at his balance, despite the long strides at 1:20...
 

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The Panch;1931048 said:
We have a sorry secondary and can fix that and another RB in a VERY deep class to split carries with Barber with our two 1st round picks. But no, we'll just throw that and Barber away for a back that's absolutely unproven and will cost a fortune. Are you freaking kidding me?

Who said we need to give up both 1st round picks for McFadden?

If we can get a solid nickel corner, and replace AKin, I'd be pretty happy...
A lot of our-butt coverage was because our LBs were getting deep enough in their zones...
 

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khiladi;1931056 said:
ANd the guy doesn't fumble the ball. He didn't have a single fumble last year... I don't think he's had a single fumble his whole career.
Dear God. :lmao:
 

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Again I think he's a fantastic player. I've never once disputed that. But he's not worth the 30 million guaruntee to be taken #1 over all, by us, unless it's 100% sure he's the next Barry Sanders.

Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, Mendenhal, and Slaton all seem, just like DMac, to have great vision and ability to make people miss. Johnson fumbles to much, grant you, but I don't think Jones, Mendenhal and Slaton are exactly fumbling machines.

If DMac were the ONLY good/great back in this draft then I'd be more than willing to go with you on this, at least a little more anyway, but with this draft being so full of guys who can do all these same things then I dont see the point of giving up a proven player, a pick, and 30 million dollars (Impacting our cap situation greatly) for him.

And, again, the fear of him throwing is not going to be that great. He threw 11 passes in 3 years of college. That means, like with LT, he average 2-3 passes a year. I can assure you that DBacks and Safeties are not sitting there thinking about LT throwing the ball every time he takes a hand off. They know, like everyone else does, that LT is not going to throw very often and only in certain situations (Such as near the goal line).

It just doesn't make sense to do that.
 

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The Panch;1931063 said:
Oh Dear God. :lmao:

What is so funny? Chris Johnson supposedly has fumble-itis... he may be incredibly quick, but he doesn't take care of the ball... that is one of the knocks on him...

I'm just saying, D-Mac excels in everything...
 

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BraveHeartFan;1931065 said:
It just doesn't make sense to do that.

I don't think he's going number one anyways. As I said, Miami already has a RB that averaged as much as Barber, while starting... Plus, they had no QB...

Barber isn't going to put Miami anywhere close to over the top. If BP was set on getting Barber, then to me, it shows that he isn't all people say he is as a GM...
 

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khiladi;1931066 said:
What is so funny? Chris Johnson supposedly has fumble-itis... he may be incredibly quick, but he doesn't take care of the ball... that is one of the knocks on him...

I'm just saying, D-Mac excels in everything...
1. McFadden has has plenty of fumbles

2. His blocking isnt too good.

3. He has no presence in the passing game.




Remind me how that classifies as excelling in everything?
 
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