Miami trade talk

[gimmesix]

I don't think we should do business with Miami. That front office is now loaded with sharks.
Jerra should hestitate big time.

That's some sound advice to remember in all this. Jerry should know enough from working with Parcells to value players that Parcells wants.

Of course, Jerry considers himself a shrewd "football guy" so maybe he thinks he can get the best of the Tuna.

No contest IMO.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't think he's going number one anyways. As I said, Miami already has a RB that averaged as much as Barber, while starting... Plus, they had no QB...

Barber isn't going to put Miami anywhere close to over the top. If BP was set on getting Barber, then to me, it shows that he isn't all people say he is as a GM...

Oh I agree. BP isn't taking him number one. But we'd HAVE to take him number one for these people wanting to make this silly trade. I mean once you traded up whose going to trade down with you and allow you to still get him?

St. Louis? Nah. Why would they move up to #1, from 2, to take the guy they wanted (Knowing youre only looking at DMac) and have to take on that large #1 picks salary? They're not going to. They're going to sit tight.

Same with Atlanta.

The only team who might move to 1, after Dallas got it, would be Oakland and they're rumored to be looking at DMac. So if they moved up to one...guess what...they're taking the guy you just traded Barber and your third round pick for. So, now what? You lost barber, a third (probably picked up an extra 2 for moving down with Oakland) and you didn't get DMac.

So, for that trade to work, Jerry would have to be taking DMac #1 and, again, he's simply not worth the player, pick, and 30 million guarunteed.

 

[Beast_from_East]

And, again, Slaton, Jones, and Johnson get into the open field and they are gone. At least Jones and Johnson can also catch passes downfield.

So we're talking about, again, wanting to give up those picks, a player, and 30 million guarunteed cause people think the corners are going to be worried about DMac pulling up and throwing.

I don't know about you but LT is pretty good at throwing and he attempts about 2-3 passes a year.

2-3 potential passes a year for 30 million? Ummm...No.

Again, you still can get the exact same stuff people are coveting in DMac out of 3 or 4 other backs that very well could be there at the back end of the first round and not have to give up the 3rd or barber or pay them 30 million gaurunteed.

This is just insane, why are we even discussing something this ********. Why dont we pitch in Ware while we are at it.

The purpose of getting McFadden was to TEAM HIM WITH BARBER, NOT REPLACE. If Jerry has such a hard on for McFadden, then trade picks only. Both 1st and our 2nd if you just cant live without McFadden.

BUT DONT TRADE THE BARBARIAN TO DO IT, DAM IT

 

[FCBarca]

Peter King's comments on this 'rumoured' trade sum it up for me, as well.


Foolish, foolish, foolish

 

[mmillman]

Here on local South Florida local sports they announced a
deal in the works with Dallas for their 22nd, a 3rd and Barber.
The 28th atleast in this wasn't involved.Just putting it out there
the talk in Florida.

I would do that in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, I love Barber. But you have seen the best Barber can be. He is good, never going to be great. McFadden is the best runner to come out in some time. He is an elite athlete that is a gamechanger. He brings speed and explosiveness to a team that is missing both with Jones and Glenn likely done. Barber is one year from free agency and I would rather pay that type of money to a McFadden than a Barber. The 22nd pick is usually a decent player, not usually anything more. Late third round picks are a real crapshoot. Jones might even save money in that scenario.

 

[dadymat]

I think we need to remember the REAL Jerry ...smart business man...say we trade for the 1st,we give Barber our 22nd and a 3rd.....and then we trade the 1st for say the 3rd or 4th overall and pick up a 2nd....now we have 2- 1st 2 -2nds pick up Dmac, a corner with the 1sts and use the 2nds on receivers ............i feel another top 3 or 4 pick might trade with us to get Long, Dorsey, Long and Ryan...........


that makes it a better deal right?

 

[masomenos]

What is so funny? Chris Johnson supposedly has fumble-itis... he may be incredibly quick, but he doesn't take care of the ball... that is one of the knocks on him...

I'm just saying, D-Mac excels in everything...

DMac had 15 fumbles this season, 5 of which were recovered by the other team.

 

[miamicowboy21]

I just wonder how many of these rumors are Miami trying to drum up some interest so they can trade out of the 1st overall pick . . . .

Come on, we all know Miami most likely isn't going to pick DMac 1st overall, and we know that BP craves multiple picks.

Unfortunately, I think there is a good chance that BP gets stuck with the first overall pick and has to dish out around $30mm in guaranteed money - or whatever the number has now escalated to.

Your dead on. All the talk is coming from these clowns down here. Miami wants picks and dallas has them. I heard the same crap a few years ago when we has two 1's these clowns thought we were going to give them one for Pat Surtain. What you hear out of Miami is DESPERATION. They're drowing and they think Jerry is going to throw them a life raft. No shot.

 

[Spectre]

This isn't going to happen.
Barber isn't going anywhere.

He's one of the best Cowboys currently and what would MIA need with him anyhow?
They have Ronnie Brown.

 

[Dhragon]

I love Barber as well, but him and just one of our #1's plus a #3 for the top overall pick? Please - that is a much better deal than had previously been thrown around. If Miami truly did offer this, Jerry should indeed take it.

Arguments against this particular deal seem to mostly stem from people loving MBIII's style of running and the emotional lift he brings when he's in. That's all fine and dandy but it didn't help us get over the hump versus the Giants did it? If he had speed to go with that style, he'd be extraordinary. He doesn't, which means he isn't going to be breaking any 70 yard TDs off -EVER!!!

Someone brought up he feals now how he did when Roy Willy trade rumors came about when Roy was actually good. I think this is an excellent comparison. Both Roy and Barber earned their stripes by being very physical. We passed on trading Roy before he lost his mojo and now most would probably favor cutting him and getting someone who could cover.

I hate to tell you guys, but Barber will be the same way. He'll be good, barring injuries, for a couple years, then his production will go down ( it is almost a forgone conclusion IMO - his style is based off of aggression and physicality not so much talent. He , like Roy, won't be able to keep it up at the incredible level he is doing it now forever ).

If we keep Barber, in 3 years, this board will be moaning about "What happened to the Barbarian - he's no longer running as hard. Trade the Bum for a 7th rounder"

So IF Miami for some reason offered us this trade, I'd do it. I got burned on being a huge Roy Williams fan and I refuse to do the same again on a similar player. I'd go for McFadden if only one of our #1's were at stake.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I have thought about this over and over......and I do not see it .....Miami has Brown and Williams......power and more speed then MBIII

 

[Cowboys2008]

They need to toss in Williams, give us some insurance against drafting a RB number 1 overall. Not too mention help us keep a semi-relative double back system and not have to change up our offensive game plan all that much. Speaking of Williams, I have a feeling Parcells will be shopping him anyway, or at very least just getting rid of him in one manor or another

Other than that I'm not against this trade. Would HATE to see Barber go, but the potential upside may be too much to ignore. We also have to consider Barbers style of running, which may not be enduring over a long period of time.

It would be a risk vs risk move if it was too happen, which I really don't think anyone could predict who it'd work out best for in the long run. So with that said, whatever happens, happens, and I'm not going to get too worked up about whichever way it plays out- I'll be happy either way.

 

[zrinkill]

I want Felix ..... McFadden can go languish in Atlanta.

 

[burmafrd]

CAP HIT guys. THINK about it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

A few years ago Roy Williams name was thrown around in trade talks and I could not help but think there was no way Dallas could trade the face of the franchise. He just seemed like he was the Dallas Cowboys. It also made me furious thinking about it. No deal was good enough. (If we only knew then what we know now)

With that said, I'm feeling the exact same way about Barber at this moment. I'll be one hot mother (you know what) if Jerry pulls this BS.

Hmm, but your post seems to suggest that a player who is seen as invaluable today could be just a guy tomorrow.

I still think we aren't trading for McFadden -- or at least not up to #1.

Sorry Bill, you're probably going to have to choke on that #1 overall rookie contract.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

buy low sell high

barion is a pro bowler he will never have this high of a trade value as he does now

he cannot carry a team and isn't a pro bowl quality back

OK. What's the punch line? Were you watching the Giant's game? If they would have let him, he would have carried them to victory.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

I disagree wholeheartedly and here is why. #1 Marion Barber is going to cost us big $$$ in order for us to sign long term. IMO ( and i know barber had a GREAT game vs the giants) I still do not think Marion Barber is feature back (lack of explosion/ homerun threat bothers me a bit)

I also think if I had to pick 1 player and to pay them roughly equally I wouldnt even think twice and would take Dmac over barber every day of the week and twice on sundays.

However, with all that being said - I am not willing to give the up our entire draft for mcfadden. If you ask me the 22nd pick barber and a 3rd for #1 overall is a STEAL for us and I would do it without thinking twice.

Another poster brought up a great point and mentioned he wondered how long barber could last with his punishing running style. Lastly and very importantly if Barber for whatever reason does not pan out to being a franchise back RIGHT now his trade value is about as high as it is going to get.

Do you ever watch a Cowboy's game? The last few games, the commentators talked about every coach in the league believes that Barber is the hardest RB in the league. When teams scheme their defenses against us, they start by how to stop Barber. Make sure you hit him low, gang tackle him, get as many guys to the ball as quickly as possible. Don't tell me he's not a feature back. Tell one of the defensive coordinators we face next season & watch him laugh in your face.

 

[yimyammer]

Here on local South Florida local sports they announced a
deal in the works with Dallas for their 22nd, a 3rd and Barber.
The 28th atleast in this wasn't involved.Just putting it out there
the talk in Florida.

Wouldn't Dallas be better off just giving Barber a first round tender offer? Then if the Dolphins wanted Barber, we'd get their 1st and 3rd AND we still maintain the option to just sign Barber & forego the picks

If we did this deal, we'd be left with the #1 pick, the 28th pick, no third round pick and no Barber---SUCKS!!!

Why would we give up our 1st, 3rd & Barber for their first, when if we did the latter, we'd have three 1st round picks, a second and two 3rds---Inticing BUT I just can't stand the thought of losing Barber, he's a special player.

Parcells must be blowing smoke up the medias ace, he has said countless times that its not wise to over pay for running backs.

I'm beginning to think all this talk is just to generate interest from potential trade partners, Jerry might even be playing along.

Personally, I think this is pretty nice:

Barber signed for 5 years, the 22nd pick, the 28th pick, a 2nd pick, a 3rd pick-just keep what we have and make good picks!!!

 

[ctrous25]

Why give up Barber? Why not draft a complimentary back like chris johnson in the 2nd round so that we can save both our picks and grab a cb at #22 then with our #28 pick trade for a good PROVEN RECEIVER like Roy Williams? Oh I should also say that MBIII is a PROVEN RUNNING BACK!!!:laugh2:

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Wouldn't Dallas be better off just giving Barber a first round tender offer? Then if the Dolphins wanted Barber, we'd get their 1st and 3rd AND we still maintain the option to just sign Barber & forego the picks

If we did this deal, we'd be left with the #1 pick, the 28th pick, no third round pick and no Barber---SUCKS!!!

Why would we give up our 1st, 3rd & Barber for their first, when if we did the latter, we'd have three 1st round picks, a second and two 3rds---Inticing BUT I just can't stand the thought of losing Barber, he's a special player.

Parcells must be blowing smoke up the medias ace, he has said countless times that its not wise to over pay for running backs.

I'm beginning to think all this talk is just to generate interest from potential trade partners, Jerry might even be playing along.

Personally, I think this is pretty nice:

Barber signed for 5 years, the 22nd pick, the 28th pick, a 2nd pick, a 3rd pick-just keep what we have and make good picks!!!

Good thinking.