Michael Vick "revolutionized" NFL football; do we have past Cowboys who did the same?

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 23, 2014

My Cowboy candidate has got to be Bullett Bob Hayes who was brought in as a sprinter and became a wide receiver and changed the game forever.

Read about mr. revolution below

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http://tracking.si.com/2014/06/20/michael-vick-i-revolutionized-the-game/

And my comment to him is that yeah, he did revolutionize the NFL by being a criminal/felon/inmate and halfing a crazy no-talent brother who revolutionized tweeting with sour grapes messages.

Other cowboys besides Hayes who come to mind is the Landry/Brandt/Schram troika who began using computers to recognized talent. That truly revolutionized NFL football.

What half you got, mens and womans?

EDIT: Thread title edited by staff.

DoctorChicken · Jun 23, 2014

Fun fact: a QB that has ran for more than 800 yards in a single season has never won a Super Bowl.

And has he heard of a guy named "Randall Cunningham" before?

Idgit · Jun 23, 2014

Did the same, as far as apparently not knowing what the word 'revolutionized' means? Probably not. Maybe. It's really hard to say.

Mike Vick should just shut up and take his seat on the revolutionary bench.

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 23, 2014

DoctorChicken said:
Fun fact: a QB that has ran for more than 800 yards in a single season has never won a Super Bowl.

And has he heard of a guy named "Randall Cunningham" before?

Heh, one fan wrote in to say that Vick was a running QB because ever time he thow he thow it away or to the wrong guy. that made me laugh, ha-ha.

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 23, 2014

Idgit said:
Did the same, as far as apparently not knowing what the word 'revolutionized' means? Probably not. Maybe. It's really hard to say.

Mike Vick should just shut up and take his seat on the revolutionary bench.

I am sure he is learning and growing. (not)

But i must confess, his no-talent brother is a hoot to read ever time Vick was benched or another QB was brought in to salvage the game.

HappyOnions · Jun 23, 2014

He definitely wasn't the first mobile quarterback, but he did change the way defenses gameplan for them. I think Vick was truly the first RUNNING quarterback.

To me, he's different than a McNair, Young or Cunningham. Those guys could run but it wasn't the first thing they thought of when they took the snap.

It certainly was the first time where the fastest guy on the field was the QB.

Animosity · Jun 23, 2014

He did revolutionize the game. No question about it. Pure speed and elusiveness from a QB. I don't think we will ever see that again from a QB.

Then again.. he couldn't stay healthy, so what good does that do?

TwoDeep3 · Jun 23, 2014

Geez guys, Tom Landry on both sides of the ball.

If this was a pop quiz, there would be a lot of red on your papers.

HappyOnions · Jun 23, 2014

Animosity said:
He did revolutionize the game. No question about it. Pure speed and elusiveness from a QB. I don't think we will ever see that again from a QB.

Then again.. he couldn't stay healthy, so what good does that do?

I agree. Nowadays you see guys who are great athletes playing the QB position. Not to say there weren't any pre-Vick, but they're in abundance now relative to a generation ago. I think Vick revolutionized the position. Im no so sure we'd have guys like Josh Johnson, Joe Webb, Troy Smith, Tyrod Taylor, etc.had Vick not played the way he did.

In the 90s, the majority of quarterbacks were drop back type passers who weren't great athletes. Nowadays it seems like there's one on half of the rosters.

Wolfpack · Jun 23, 2014

Cowboys:
Hayes: (as noted by OP) who brought raw speed and a deep game that really didn't exist before.
Landry: (as noted by OP) This is guy is Mr. Football and a top 5 all time coach. He brought innovation on Offense, Defense and in the way the organization ran. I think he is #2 right behind Paul Brown as an innovator / coach.
J. Johnson: Brought a new defense to the NFL that completely changed how teams play defense, the speed based Miami 4-3.
Dave Campo: Under rated innovator who brought Seaworld and time clocks to the NFL.

D. Woodson: Was a prototype of the new age NFL safety. He could hit, lead and cover anything. He is the blue print for the current safety model. His peers were either big hitters or cover guys.

Thats really all I can come up with other than the Erik Williams & Irvin needing new rules to slow them down which I don't think is what the OP is asking. Lots of talent on the Dallas Teams over the years but the innovators were really Landry and Johnson, not so much the players themselves.

DFWJC · Jun 23, 2014

Mike Vick didn't revolutionize anything.
There's plenty of QBs before him that had his type of game or better.

I think the most revolutionary figure in Cowboy history was not a player, but Coach Landry.

Idgit · Jun 23, 2014

TwoDeep3 said:
Geez guys, Tom Landry on both sides of the ball.

If this was a pop quiz, there would be a lot of red on your papers.

Vick, Landry. Landry, Vick. It's like looking in a mirror when it comes to revolutionizing things.

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 23, 2014

Wolfpack said:
Cowboys:
Hayes: (as noted by OP) who brought raw speed and a deep game that really didn't exist before.
Landry: (as noted by OP) This is guy is Mr. Football and a top 5 all time coach. He brought innovation on Offense, Defense and in the way the organization ran. I think he is #2 right behind Paul Brown as an innovator / coach.
J. Johnson: Brought a new defense to the NFL that completely changed how teams play defense, the speed based Miami 4-3.
Dave Campo: Under rated innovator who brought Seaworld and time clocks to the NFL.
D. Woodson: Was a prototype of the new age NFL safety. He could hit, lead and cover anything. He is the blue print for the current safety model. His peers were either big hitters or cover guys.

Thats really all I can come up with other than the Erik Williams & Irvin needing new rules to slow them down which I don't think is what the OP is asking. Lots of talent on the Dallas Teams over the years but the innovators were really Landry and Johnson, not so much the players themselves.

I agree with Landry. don't you think it be ironic that Landry, who was such an early innovator, ended his coaching days with the widespread thought that coaching had passed him by? So Ironic it is like that no smoking sign on your cigarette break. Isn't it ironic?
(But, Mister, whatever you taking you should share. Where in the world did Dave Campo come from? On my list he would be No. 2 billionth in the world as to bringing innovation to the NFL.)

DFWJC · Jun 23, 2014

Idgit said:
Vick, Landry. Landry, Vick. It's like looking in a mirror when it comes to revolutionizing things.

Lol!

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 23, 2014

Wolfpack said:
Cowboys:
Hayes: (as noted by OP) who brought raw speed and a deep game that really didn't exist before.
Landry: (as noted by OP) This is guy is Mr. Football and a top 5 all time coach.

so are you saying i am like a genus?

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HappyOnions · Jun 23, 2014

I think Jimmy Johnson revolutionized college football and brought that to the NFL.

A coach who felt that talent overshadowed everything else. No team before his was more hated, had more swagger, etc.

Forget about class, sportsmanship and all that. Jimmy didn't care.

jrumann59 · Jun 23, 2014

Vick he first QB to see a 9 man front a lot. Teams dared him to beat them with the pass. And teams punished him when he ran. Sounds revolutionary.

BigStar · Jun 23, 2014

I would say Deion was the first cover corner that forced QBs/OCs to play offense with only one side of the D @ their disposal. He was also the only corner I remember who never entered the huddle bc his assignment never changed (though I think this could've been used more effectively to throw teams off if they had thrown in a different coverage @ times).

Irvin's rugged style also forced the refs to call the notoriously rare offensive PI penalty. Same with "hands to the face" penalty resulting from Big E slapping the snot outta Reggie on a regular basis (literally). Roy W's horse collar was more of a safety issue that is somewhat understandable given the new way of the league but folks also forget he was THE head hunter before concussions really became such a mainstay issue. Roy would cripple folks.

RonSpringsdaman20 · Jun 23, 2014

When I was a kid I watched a lot of Randell...
Vick was good, but not new.. Randell was fast, fluid,elusive with better accuracy... he was just a choke artist.
I would say Bullet Bob brought olympic track speed to the wr position...
Alexander Wright had the best speed ever to kick rocks in nfl history... guy was clocking unofficial sub 4.1's

RonSpringsdaman20 · Jun 23, 2014

HappyOnions said:
He definitely wasn't the first mobile quarterback, but he did change the way defenses gameplan for them. I think Vick was truly the first RUNNING quarterback.

To me, he's different than a McNair, Young or Cunningham. Those guys could run but it wasn't the first thing they thought of when they took the snap.

It certainly was the first time where the fastest guy on the field was the QB.

I think Randall had to get broken out of that habit.....but when he was a kid out of UNLV, he used to take off if his first option was covered...

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