Midseason NFL QBRs

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If they did mention Romo being in the top 5 they'd make sure to let us know, at least twice, that it is the running game that is making this possible. I've heard that enough to make me sick. They refuse to credit him and I'm not sure why. They just do not like Tony.
 

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Thanks for posting.

I've never really gotten my arms around ESPN QBR as opposed to traditional QB rating. It hasn't taken off outside of ESPN and I wonder how much longer they are going to continue doing it.

Romo is 5th (Still Top 5) in QB rating so it is all good.
 

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Oh you haven't read the criteria properly. It clearly says that you rank elite quarterbacks based only on the rankings until Romo appears on the list. At which point you must immediately locate Eli Manning's ranking and subtract the difference between the two, engage in a elaborate amount of rhetoric about how Tony just can't win in a big game, can't comeback from 4th quarter deficits, ad nausea-um. By this point you feel good enough with yourself that you declare the ranking invalid, switch the position of Eli and Tony and Now you have the the top 8 Quarterbacks readjusted in proper "elite order"
 

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So now QBR is relevant because Romo cracks the top 5? lol I've been saying for a while now that QBR is more accurate than the standard QB rating. And Romo has had a better year this year, sans the San Fran game.
 

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Oh you haven't read the criteria properly. It clearly says that you rank elite quarterbacks based only on the rankings until Romo appears on the list. At which point you must immediately locate Eli Manning's ranking and subtract the difference between the two, engage in a elaborate amount of rhetoric about how Tony just can't win in a big game, can't comeback from 4th quarter deficits, ad nausea-um. By this point you feel good enough with yourself that you declare the ranking invalid, switch the position of Eli and Tony and Now you have the the top 8 Quarterbacks readjusted in proper "elite order"

Ha Ha, you've been reading too many KJJ posts :D
 

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Are the guys in the top 6 all elite? Or just the top 4 that we always hear about? If top 4 it looks like Mr Romo made the cut and Brees and Brady didnt. :eek:

That's because Romo is better then them both right now.

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NFL AM this morning they said that Romo has the best QBR in the 2nd half of games this year. Actually it wasn't close something like 8 points.
 

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Are the guys in the top 6 all elite? Or just the top 4 that we always hear about? If top 4 it looks like Mr Romo made the cut and Brees and Brady didnt. :eek:

From what I understand, all the guys in the top 6 except Romo are elite. Romo is always the exception to the rule.
 

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I agree with everybody in the entire thread and let me add one more comment that I hear all the time, in fact Rodney Harrison loves this one so much he's used it twice already on Sunday Night Football--

"With the Cowboys successfully running the ball, it means less of Tony throwing it and it keeps the turnovers down."

WHAT!!!!??? He threw TEN interceptions last season. Ten. His interception percentage is better than Meredith, Staubach, White and Aikman.

But you will NEVER hear this--

"The Giants need to run the ball the ball more to keep keep Eli's propensity to turn the ball over down."

And here's a guy who had 27 INT's last season and has led the league three times in INT's. Try to imagine substituting Eli's name for Tony's when you hear analysts talking about their games. It's beyond sickening.
 

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Eli at #9 ? I would have guessed much lower.

Yep, except they revamped their entire offensive philosophy to protect him from himself or it would be. His interceptions are down but he looked flat out awful Monday night.
 

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Yeah, he has had a great season minus SF and WAS. Let's see how he does by the end of the year and then hopefully the playoffs.
 

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Yep, except they revamped their entire offensive philosophy to protect him from himself or it would be. His interceptions are down but he looked flat out awful Monday night.

That was a bad game for Eli, but I'll give him some due, he has looked alright in many other games. I hate to use the Romo-excuse for him, but his team is truly bad around him.
 

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We know Dallas ranks 14th in (traditional) defensive pass rating. IOW, opposing QB have a 91.4 rating against our defense. Last year, we were 26th.

For every offensive stat, there's a corresponding defensive stat, so it's very strange that there's no such thing as defensive QBR. Not only would it be interesting to compare Dallas' defenses the last two seasons, but it would also allow us to see how the stat correlates to W-L. Right now, we just have one half of the equation. Two QB with identical QBR wouldn't necessarily have similar W-L records, because the QB their defenses face also have QBR of their own which (by definition) have to count just as much.
 

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We know Dallas ranks 14th in (traditional) defensive pass rating. IOW, opposing QB have a 91.4 rating against our defense. Last year, we were 26th.

For every offensive stat, there's a corresponding defensive stat, so it's very strange that there's no such thing as defensive QBR. Not only would it be interesting to compare Dallas' defenses the last two seasons, but it would also allow us to see how the stat correlates to W-L. Right now, we just have one half of the equation. Two QB with identical QBR wouldn't necessarily have similar W-L records, because the QB their defenses face also have QBR of their own which (by definition) have to count just as much.

This has been posted before for those that cared to read it.

Q. Does QBR relate to winning?

A. How QBR "relates to winning" is a question that can be interpreted various ways. One way that we addressed this on TV was that the team winning the QBR battle within a game wins the game 86% of the time. Teams that win the turnover battle don't win this often. Teams that win the NFL Passer Rating battle don't win this often. This result is primarily emphasizing that QBR is capturing team results and that quarterbacks performance is quite important to that.

But QBR is not meant to be a perfect indicator. A quarterback affects the offense, so a quarterback with a good defense doesn't have to be as good. What illustrates this are the 2008 seasons of Ben Roethlisberger of the Pittsburgh Steelers and Dan Orlovsky of the defenseless Detroit Lions. Orlovsky had a Total QBR value of 51, whereas Roethlisberger posted just a 46 (but a 61 in the playoffs that people remember).

In that year, expected points allowed by team defense had the Steelers second in the NFL and the Lions dead last, with more than 300 points difference on the defensive side of the ball. With that kind of defensive difference, it was possible for Orlovsky to have a better rating than Roethlisberger and still lose a lot more. Orlovsky wasn't terrible either. In the 7 games that Orlovsky started for the Lions, the team offense was about average by expected points added; in the other 9 games, they were roughly 10 points per game worse. In the games started by Roethlisberger, the Pittsburgh team offense was about the same as the Orlovsky-led Lions offense.

So QBR is meant to correlate to offense, moving the ball downfield, turning good field position into points, avoiding giving it back to the defense. Good offensive performance is not the same as winning. To the degree that offense correlates to winning, QBR should be helpful.
 
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