Mike Lombardi on Roy Williams

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For those that arent familiar, Mike Lombardi's blog is one of the most informative and entertaining reads out there for any diehard football fan. He has led player personnel departments in the NFL, and worked in the NFL for 22 years for the Broncos, Raiders, Browns, Eagles and 49ers. He's sat in war rooms next to Bill Belichick, Marty Scottenheimer and Bill Walsh. Aside from his blog, he now also writes an "Inside the NFL" column for SI.com and recently starting doing some freelance work for NFLN as well.

Anyway, he some interesting things to say about our Roy Williams.

There was a time in the NFL where you could have a strong safety and a free safety, but today's NFL safties have to be able to play in the high part of the field, which I call level three. When you evaluate a safety its critical that they be able to play on the third level, regardless of man or zone. Even in zone if the defender is playing in a cover two shell and a wide outs comes into his area, he still has to man him up. So when a safety lacks explosive movement in pass coverage and is limited to playing on the second level only, then he will be attacked each and every week.
Williams agent, Ben Dogra called me three years ago before he was going to finalize his extension for Williams and asked me what I thought. My thoughts were unless he was going to be moved to Will Linebacker, then there was no way he could justify the amount of money on the table. Dogra assured me the deal was for him to play safety and my reaction was for him to take the money and run-fast.
Williams lack of athleitic skills and coverage skills limits what Wade Phillips can do with his scheme on Sunday, he is always trying to hide him and hoping he can keep him from being in space and having to play in coverage. That is why the Cowboys send him on blitzes all the time. Blitzes keep him out of coverage-which is what the Cowboys need to do.
No matter how many Pro Bowls Williams achieves, he wears a big circle on his chest each week as opposing offensive coordinators plan to attack him in coverage. Now, add the notion that he has gone Hollywood, and refuses to work hard-his time in the NFL will be short lived. The NFL is all about what can you do for a team today, its always moving forward and it could care less when and where you were drafted. You have to justify the pick with your play.
Williams football career sounds like he is on borrowed time.

http://www.lombardionfootball.com/2008/05/roy-williams.html
 

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Gone Hollywood? Refuses to work hard?

Seems like just more uninformed drivel.
 

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Williams lack of athleitic skills and coverage skills limits what Wade Phillips can do with his scheme on Sunday, he is always trying to hide him and hoping he can keep him from being in space and having to play in coverage.

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theogt;2093200 said:
Gone Hollywood? Refuses to work hard?

Seems like just more uninformed drivel.

So if the Cowboys release him next offseason, when his cap figure makes it feasible for the first time to do so, I assume you're going to be the first one on the board to rip the Cowboys FO and braintrust a new one for releasing such a phenomenal player for no good reason at all.
 

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theogt;2093200 said:
Gone Hollywood? Refuses to work hard?

Seems like just more uninformed drivel.

Uninformed drivel helped out by the local media belief that if somehow you show up early to workouts, you're not working hard. Also, Dallas doesn't blitz Roy all of the time or even a lot more than most strong safeties.




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InmanRoshi;2093207 said:
So if the Cowboys release him next offseason, when his cap figure makes it feasible for the first time to do so, I assume you're going to be the first one on the board to rip the Cowboys FO and braintrust a new one for releasing such a phenomenal player for no good reason at all.

When did theogt say he was a phenonemal player? He's saying that he hasn't gone Hollywood and hasn't stopped working hard. Judging by the ESPN video, theogt is right.





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Anybody who says Roy Williams is not the guy that is targeted when throwing the ball on the Cowboys is foolish.

OCs scheme to get this guy in pass coverage.
 

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Working hard to me means spending more time in the film room trying to better figure out things. I have heard NOTHING that indicates he is doing that.
 

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Yakuza Rich;2093222 said:
When did theogt say he was a phenonemal player? He's saying that he hasn't gone Hollywood and hasn't stopped working hard. Judging by the ESPN video, theogt is right.





YAKUZA

no no no, theogt is NEVER right, just ask Bob Sacamano.

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InmanRoshi;2093195 said:
For those that arent familiar, Mike Lombardi's blog is one of the most informative and entertaining reads out there for any diehard football fan. He has led player personnel departments in the NFL, and worked in the NFL for 22 years for the Broncos, Raiders, Browns, Eagles and 49ers. He's sat in war rooms next to Bill Belichick, Marty Scottenheimer and Bill Walsh. Aside from his blog, he now also writes an "Inside the NFL" column for SI.com and recently starting doing some freelance work for NFLN as well.

Anyway, he some interesting things to say about our Roy Williams.



http://www.lombardionfootball.com/2008/05/roy-williams.html


Myths. All myths!!!;) Worked in the NFL for 22 years? He knows nothing. He must not read the Cowboyszone much.
 

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Little Jr;2093250 said:
Myths. All myths!!!;) Worked in the NFL for 22 years? He knows nothing. He must not read the Cowboyszone much.


I think Lombardi can be set straight by simpling sending him Roy's stats, particular tackling, and the myth list updated with the gone Hollywood reference. That will straighten matters out.
 

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ajk23az;2093239 said:
Anybody who says Roy Williams is not the guy that is targeted when throwing the ball on the Cowboys is foolish.

OCs scheme to get this guy in pass coverage.

You are correct......just look at the talent at those other skill positions.:starspin
 

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ajk23az;2093239 said:
Anybody who says Roy Williams is not the guy that is targeted when throwing the ball on the Cowboys is foolish.

OCs scheme to get this guy in pass coverage.

Reeves anyone?
 

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QBs had a pickem late in the season: either go for Reeves or Roy and you were probably going to be successful.
 

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I think he means going Hollywood, at the time he was dating Kelly Rowland and hanging out with Jay Z. Remember this was asked about him when his extension was taking place. Could be wrong
 

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I don't feel that his evaluation of where Roy is limited to playing is correct. In fact, I feel that the "second level" is where Roy's game gets exposed the most. Because he does not have good change of direction, if he anticipates wrong, he will get beat badly. Because he is still a tremendous athlete, no matter what people say, he can still make the tackle even when he gets beat like that.

Where Roy excels is in that third level. Where he can roam and use his anticipation to his advantage. Why we elected to use him at that second level in passing situations is beyond me - I think it's a poor fit.

You wonder where the big hits went - he wasn't put in a position to make them, truly. I guess we wanted him there because his presence at the second level instantly improves our run support against spread formations. I really believe, and of course it's just speculation, that if we had played Hamlin at strong and Roy at free, you would have seen identical results. Because what Roy does is track the ball well in the air - not cover short routes that require quick hips and excellent anticipation if you even want to have a prayer of stopping them.

If we keep him down there, we'll continue to see good run defense, I have no doubt of that. But if we do that, I think we can forget about the big hits and interceptions returning. There just aren't that many opportunities to make those plays from the position he's playing. So I would really question just how much of Roy Williams Mr. Lombardi has watched, and broken down. Because if you do watch him, I can't see how you could possibly come to the same conclusion as Mr. Lombardi - unless you're operating under the misguided assumption that Wade plays Roy in the nickel LB role to "protect/hide him".
 

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theogt;2093200 said:
Gone Hollywood? Refuses to work hard?

Seems like just more uninformed drivel.

blitzes all the time to hide him?

I agree Theo, this was a horrible write up...

I also doubt any agent called an ex personnel guy to see what he thinks about a contract

David
 

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That is why the Cowboys send him on blitzes all the time.

Always????? I don't think so the fact he would even try to say that 100% of the time RW is blizting. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
 
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