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Mike McCarthy's Analytics Fraud

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Toruk_Makto, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. yimyammer

    yimyammer Well-Known Member

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    you ain't seen nothing yet, just wait til the season gets rolling
     
  2. Soth

    Soth Well-Known Member

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    The issue doesn't seem as simple as that. The same article states the following:

    "Prescott also averaged 5.1 fantasy points per game (with a 133.3 passer rating) on play action passes when Elliott was on that field, with those numbers dropping to 1.9 fantasy points per game (and an 83.0 passer rating) during Elliott’s suspension weeks. Perhaps teams didn’t take the threat of play-action as seriously without Elliott on the field, and Prescott’s efficiency suffered as a result."

    From the same article:
    "On the other end of the spectrum we have four quarterbacks who actually posted a higher passer rating on non-play-action passes. This seemed weird to me, but perhaps the connection is all four passers’ teams also ranked bottom-10 in team rushing attempts over our sample."

    Full article: https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-metrics-that-matter-quarterbacks-on-play-action

    So McCarthy is right about establishing the run, but it seems like running effectiveness is not as important as run attempts. Also, results vary significantly from team to team and from QB to QB. I am not sure we can call Big Mac a fraud just for this statement. We also can't expect him to spill all the beans on his research. Do you think Bellicheat would willingly tell the media stuff he has found using analytics??
     
  3. Ranching

    Ranching Well-Known Member

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    Also long winded. Someone must be bored.
     
  4. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    PFF is using league wide stats. I too am curious if different teams, QBs, or opposing defenses change those results.
     
  5. Ranching

    Ranching Well-Known Member

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    Lol!!!!
     
  6. CowboyStar88

    CowboyStar88 Well-Known Member

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    I’d rather throw myself off a 3 story building breaking both of my legs than watch that loser coach this team again.

    That dude wasted so much talent over the years it’s unforgivable.
     
  7. Ranching

    Ranching Well-Known Member

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    I hope I never have to say McCarthy Sucks!!
     
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  8. blueblood70

    blueblood70 Well-Known Member

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    :popcorn::hammer:

    of course not but the OP wants to go there and we should take what he says as truths because hes been coaching in the nfl for 25yrs..

    oh wait...:facepalm::muttley:
     
  9. rags747

    rags747 Well-Known Member

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    Listen I saw the whole analytics pitch as complete crap and salesmen ship. A coach is what he is, expecting one to change their stripes, well don’t hold your breath. Hopefully some culture will change here, but I knew that this analytics thing was complete ear candy to the masses.
     
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  10. CapnB

    CapnB Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure he said they will have someone who does all the analytics stuff while hes here. And for the life of me, even analytics dont and wont work if you dont have the players that can execute.
     
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  11. JohnBoy

    JohnBoy Well-Known Member

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    As a fan, I would be outraged if the HC got on TV and discussed anything significant about his analytics, or really any other aspect of his strategy/scheme. An unbelievably stupid thing to do, if you ask me. I would simply give them platitudes and generic crap, or I might even give them outright false information, to throw my competition.
     
  12. cowboyec

    cowboyec Well-Known Member

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    we'll see.
     
  13. Techsass

    Techsass Well-Known Member

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    I was one of the meh folks at the news of his hire, but I'm not anti-Mc. We'll see what he can do next season. Once we figure out if GB's success was him or just Aaron, we'll be in a better spot to judge our new coach.
     
  14. irishline

    irishline Well-Known Member

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    So 102% of his passes went to his WR's, TE's, and RB's? (62+22+18=102). Where did the rest go haha? :p
     
  15. JW82

    JW82 JJ21

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    Give me a break. It wasn’t analytics that made
    Garrett suck. It was basic game and clock management. The ability to make halftime adjustments. I’ll take the guy that went to the playoffs 9 of his first 11 seasons and won a ring over the guy surrounded by nerds with pocket protecters. And I am in IT so I know those nerds...
     
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  16. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    McCarthy says he has changed and explained how he was changing with specifics. He has detailed how he wants his department set up and how he intends to use them of game day.

    So what do people do?

    Say he is lying because he cannot articulate something that is difficult to articulate in soundbites ie statistical analysis.

    What I found really interesting was in his interview with Eatman on the mothership, McCarthy stated that procedurally, whoever was calling plays had to also be the one installing the plays in practice. That he had not done that in GB and it caused issues. He was changing that too.
     
  17. daboyzruleperiod

    daboyzruleperiod ♡☆

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    Here's the ONLY analytics I care about.

    Head Coach Experience
    McCarthy: 12
    Pederson: 4
    Rivera: 9
    Judge: 0
     
  18. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Not saying there's nothing to what the OP is saying, but too many of these analytics posts feel like they're saying I'm smarter than this ignorant neanderthal football coach.

    If McCarthy fails here, it won't be because he wasn't an analytics expert.
     
  19. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you read that right!
    I screwed up. Glad you caught it.
     
  20. Playmaker247

    Playmaker247 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Belichick has gone on record saying he doesn’t use analytics when everyone knows that’s in fact straight bs
     

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