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Mike McCarthy's Analytics Fraud

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Toruk_Makto, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    That is not what I am asking. It also has nothing to do with how I described how defenders behaved given their keys. The article you posted even backs up what I am saying.
     
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  2. StuckMojo

    StuckMojo Well-Known Member

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    I took the It as another hate Zeke thread
     
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  3. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't.

    And it is well chronicled that Dak's struggles while Zeke were out were more accurately attributable to Tyron missing that time and not Zeke. Games in which Zeke are out and Tryon was in shows a very effective Zeke. Whereas games where Zeke was in but Tyron was out he struggled.

    Using this as proof that play action doesn't matter for the Cowboys is weird.
     
  4. Runwildboys

    Runwildboys Well-Known Member

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    No, I mean if you fake punches to someone's face, he may flinch the first few times, but after that he'll stop believing you're going to hit him, unless you actually do. I was only replying to your analogy, not expressing any opinion of play action percentages. But IMO, play action will work regardless of how well you run the ball, unless you run so poorly that the defense can stop it effectively even when they're in full passing defense.
     
  5. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    From your article:
    If you are going to do a deduction in general you need to show how your example excludes the one you're arguing against.

    The actual analysis is the entire article where he points out cases like the lowest rushing teams and particular players where the outcome is different. IOW the analysis details specific cases where it is not universal.
     
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  6. yimyammer

    yimyammer Well-Known Member

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    me too amigo!

    In the mean time, just keep repeating "Jerry Sucks!"
     
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  7. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    So you are saying thee PFF article you cited is not trustworthy? Thanks for undermining your entire argument.

    This show PA did not net a benefit for everyone ie not universal:

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  8. gjkoeppen

    gjkoeppen Well-Known Member

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    Since you told us what you did and do now and since none of it is as an NFL coach and what you have said is contrary what many if not most of the people that actually have NFL experience say I guess I got to say BS. Here is the blatantly obvious thing you have missed. When a team has a good running game the defense keeps more defenders closer to the line of scrimmage to STOP the run. This is why when teams with a good running game have so much success with play action passes. When the QB does that fake to the back the defenders hesitate for a moment initially thinking that have to stop a run but then then see it was a fake and that little hesitation is enough for receivers to get a step and be open. You might want to pick a different hobby.
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  9. Rayman70

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    JEESH YOU ALL..There is no pleasing you. Everyone was calling for Garretts head, so when we fire him and get a HC with a Ring and a proven system, he doesn't even get a chance to show out on the field. lol.. MY GAWD!! Do you guys really understand how nuts your being? GIVE THE GUY A FAIR SHOT BEFORE YOU DEGRADE HIM. You want more Garrett? lol...sure makes me wonder. Point is, this may be the best coaching hire we have made since Parcells, some would argue, since Jimmy Johnson. Time will tell, but lets be positive.It appears to be a big house cleaning going on in Dallas and for me, its been a long time comin. Lets just wait and see what happens before we go Harry Carey on the guy. WIN LOSE OR DRAW, I AM ON BOARD THE MIKE MCCARTHY TRAIN. At least we see a concerted effort for change, and for now, its all we can ask. I'm in this til the bitter end. GO COWBOYS.
     
  10. ESisback

    ESisback Well-Known Member

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    That’s generally the crowd that finds fault with EVERYTHING. Nothing is perfect, nothing is guaranteed, but that doesn’t stop the perpetually miserable.
     
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  11. ESisback

    ESisback Well-Known Member

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    Amen, brother!
     
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  12. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    In this case punching someone is running the ball. Something McCarthy does 40% historically.

    And whether he runs the ball well or frequently the play action game has proven to be successful. The exact opposite of his quote in the OP.
     
  13. Rayman70

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    :yourock:
     
  14. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    What part of rushing attempts hardly matters and rushing efficiency doesn't matter to play action success don't you understand?
     
  15. brooksey1

    brooksey1 Zone Supporter

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    What a terrible thread
     
  16. Runwildboys

    Runwildboys Well-Known Member

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    "YOU ALL"? I haven't read every response, but it didn't seem like that many people are against MM.
     
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  17. Haimerej

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    That doesn't address assignments really. If your box isn't stacked and your LB still keys on Zeke first, that makes a difference.
     
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  18. FuzzyLumpkins

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    And lets not forget that you are changing the subject here. I was not talking about heavy boxes. I was talking about how defenders react to a developing PA attempt.

    One thing you are completely obtuse to is the mechanics of why PA works. It is no secret that when a defender reads run they execute gap assignments. DL take a gap and stop pass rush, LB charge the LOS to fill their gaps, DBs peak into the backfield longer. That in turns stifles the rush and created space in the secondary particularly in the middle of the field.

    IOW, for PA to work, you have to get defenses to read and react to a run. What your article states is that it is not that hard to run enough to get a defense to respect the run. Only the bottom 15% rushing attempt teams did not receive the benefit.

    OTOH, what MM said was true. You do need to run enough to get that benefit.
     
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  19. brooksey1

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    Possibly one of the dumbest statements of all time...Btw -Tell that to the #1 seed SF 49ers
     
  20. ESisback

    ESisback Well-Known Member

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    Another thing to consider...if a HC had a pass/run reputation of 60/40, wouldn’t it be smart to change up to gain that unpredictability quotient?
     

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