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Mike McCarthy's Analytics Fraud

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Toruk_Makto, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    Going into the last week we was 7-1 in games we ran 29% or more play action
    I thought that was interring that half the games we didn’t
    Sometimes you get behind and I get that but I think play action should be huge in our offense
  2. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    You can call it whatever you want but those teams would be stupid to follow your advice. They are indeed different than everyone else.

    You can argue it all you want but when the premise of your fallacy does not apply you should stop using it. Every team is not the same.

    And let's be clear here, the analysis was not remotely exhaustive. That was simply one permutation of real world examples and it showed you to be wrong. There is no reason to believe that organizing it by opposing defense or something else is not going to do the same.

    You were wrong to claim it was true in all cases. Admit it and move on.
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  3. Hadenough

    Hadenough Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying this was a bad hire?
  4. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Moderator

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    McCarthy > Garrett.

  5. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and say the whole mess is a stretch.

    How does this help me in a situation like 1st and 10, inside my 20, 1st quarter, score tied at 0?

    If I'm on defense, what can I expect from the offense?
    If I'm on offense, what am I going to do?

    It would be much more helpful if I knew New Orleans faced this situation 5 times and they passed each time, being successful 80%. They never ran in that situation.
    On the other hand, in the same situation, Seattle ran 5 times and was successful 60% of the time. They never passed.

    That type information helps me on defense.

    Offensively I'd need to know what the defense is doing in these situations to have any advantage.

    Big difference in quoting stats and understanding how you can use them in a game situation.

    But yall go ahead and argue. I'll go dribble over there......
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  6. The Fonz

    The Fonz Correctamundo

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    It was all BS moves from MIke and his friends in the media and JJ fall for it.The guy football IQ is questionable.
    I guess we will find out soon....hoping for the best expecting the worse.
  7. NeonNinja

    NeonNinja Dash28

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    Noted, OP.
  8. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    What part of this is not true don't you understand?
  9. CIWhitefish

    CIWhitefish Well-Known Member

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    Thanks man!
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  10. Hadenough

    Hadenough Well-Known Member

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    I'm less worried about McCarthy and more worried about Dak. A coach can have a great play design but its up to the QB to execute the throws.
  11. Proof

    Proof Well-Known Member

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    Couple things, just for clarity.
    Is this a new quote?

    and also since I assume the study is across the league, is there any isolated study on teams that do have a potent rushing attack and how PA benefited or didn’t based on their rushing?

    Like I just wonder if the ravens, 9ers, Seahawks, boys etc have a larger efficiency boost than say the bucs or falcons
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  12. iamliko22

    iamliko22 Well-Known Member

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  13. lwehlers

    lwehlers Well-Known Member

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    McCarty has not had a running back like Elliott before. so maybe he will change and run the ball more. if not we will see Elliott and pollard catch a lot of passes which sometimes is just a short handoff in a westcoast offense.
  14. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Then why does the same play action split occur with poor rushing teams?
  15. mahoneybill

    mahoneybill Well-Known Member

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    Telling that no HC offers came his way. Proof of what league/ teams thought about him
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  16. mattjames2010

    mattjames2010 Well-Known Member

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    A lot of nerd crap in this thread that completely separates itself from the game of football.

    The same goes for McCarthy - maybe this analytic stuff matters in preparation for a game, but once you hit the field that stuff often goes right out the window due to situational football and all the analytical nerds can ever look at are the outcomes of games.

    Lame and labeling him a "fraud" while he holds something very few other coaches in NFL history has held is hilarious. He obviously got it right once before.
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  17. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Thats not what the article said about Dak. It said when Zeke was out he performed poorly and they postulate that maybe Zeke had an impact on PA. Of course we know Zeke played poorly in that stretch due to Tyron being out and not Zeke.
  18. johneric8

    johneric8 Well-Known Member

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    Jason is that you?
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  19. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say that. And nowhere did I argue that we should have kept Garrett.

    But from what McCarthy said his analytics claims seem dubious at best.
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  20. Haimerej

    Haimerej Well-Known Member

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    Do you know the success breakdown of PA bootleg vs standard PA dropbacks or shotgun PA?
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