Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Story on Jones Gambling on players

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Galloway is just one in a long line of recent acquisitions who haven’t panned out for Jones: quarterbacks Drew Henson (cost a first-round pick), Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter; offensive lineman Marco Rivera; wide receiver Terry Glenn; linebackers Kevin Hardy and Bobby Carpenter; defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban; and running back Anthony Thomas.

How can terry glenn be a bad pick up.
He played great for us and if it wasnt for his injury he would still be here.
 

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FloridaRob;2349802 said:
Not only did Jones give up first- and third-round picks for Williams, who has questionable hands and just one 1,000-yard season in five-plus seasons, but Jones handed Williams a five-year contract extension with $20 million in guaranteed money. That will surely ruffle the feathers of problem-child receiver Terrell Owens.
I love how the pundits just automatically think that TO will be upset about this deal.

It's either "TO will lose some catches so he will be upset" or "$20 M in guaranteed money so TO will be upset" argument.

Hopefully we hoist the Lombardi in a few months and TO can sound off on all the nay sayers.
 

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Wow, typical hater article.

I like how he picked a time period to include our worst years when showing Jerry's record over the last x years. Over the last six years -- which is a pretty long time period in today's NFL -- we're 52-34. Most teams would love to have that record.

Jerry isn't perfect, and I wish he'd never brought in Pacman, but most of this article is pure biased rubbish. What have the Packers won lately that Jerry hasn't?
 

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FloridaRob;2349802 said:
Don't shoot the messenger. Found this article tonight on the Journal Sentinel Website. I will say as a Packer fan I wish Ted Thompson would take a risk every now and then in regard to trading a draft choice or taking a flyer on a player like the Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyders or the world but he just goes to the beat of a different drummer. Anyway, here is the article

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=807376

Cowboys owner’s bets are off

Jones’ gambling sets team back



Posted: Oct. 17, 2008



As the expression goes, “Everything is bigger in Texas.”
Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones lives the mantra. From his new football stadium to the way he has constructed his team, Jones operates in a manner that says, “The bigger the risk, the bigger the payoff.” If it’s not risky, it’s not worth doing to Jones. It worked wonders for him in business, as his oil and land company helped make him a billionaire.

But that gambling approach has not translated well to his football team. Sure, the Cowboys were the team of the 1990s, when they won three Super Bowls in four years. But that was a much different time in the league. The Cowboys won two of their championships (’92 and ’93) before the salary cap was introduced in 1994. The third came the next year.

As the league has learned the ins and outs of life under the salary cap, Jones’ gambling ways have fallen more out of style than Zubaz. It doesn’t pay to be bold any longer. Slow, steady and calculating has become the method for winning championships. All the teams that have won the Lombardi Trophy in the past decade have been built that way.

But here we are in 2008 and Jones, who has personnel control, is still swinging for the fences. And missing.

From 1997-2006, the Cowboys were a combined 73-87. They have won one division title (in ’07) since 1998. They have not been to a conference championship since ’95. That was the last year Dallas was in a Super Bowl as well.

The persona of the Cowboys has not matched up with the on-field product. The Cowboys have been portrayed as the New York Yankees over the last 15 years. In fact, the Minnesota Vikings (96-80) had 23 more victories than the Cowboys from 1997-2006.

The trade for Detroit Lions receiver Roy Williams this week was just the latest in a line of risky moves that will likely put the Cowboys further off track from winning a championship.

Not only did Jones give up first- and third-round picks for Williams, who has questionable hands and just one 1,000-yard season in five-plus seasons, but Jones handed Williams a five-year contract extension with $20 million in guaranteed money. That will surely ruffle the feathers of problem-child receiver Terrell Owens.

The Williams deal echoes the colossal blunder Jones made in 2000, when he traded two first-round picks to the Seattle Seahawks for receiver Joey Galloway, who never had more than 908 yards in four forgettable years in Dallas. But the Seahawks were in the Super Bowl in 2005 thanks, in part, to that deal.

Galloway is just one in a long line of recent acquisitions who haven’t panned out for Jones: quarterbacks Drew Henson (cost a first-round pick), Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter; offensive lineman Marco Rivera; wide receiver Terry Glenn; linebackers Kevin Hardy and Bobby Carpenter; defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban; and running back Anthony Thomas.
And then there’s cornerback Adam Jones, who, predictably, was indefinitely suspended by the league again this week for his off-field behavior.
That’s not to say Jerry Jones hasn’t improved as general manager. He has.

The Cowboys are finally near Super Bowl level because of the moves he made. But it’s his big, risky — and mostly unneeded — moves that ultimately cost his teams championships, and likely will again this season.

The Cowboys were good last season. They had talent all over the field, as evidenced by their 13 players selected for the Pro Bowl. There was no reason to bring in an Adam Jones or trade for a Roy Williams.

Could the Cowboys be better with both of them? Yes, without question. But considering where the Cowboys were, was the risk worth it? No. And that’s what Jerry Jones has not learned and perhaps never will.

In the NFL, the bigger risk often leads to the biggest failures.


He starts the article by bashing us for giving up draft picks, then lists a bunch of our draft picks that did not turn out.

He basically makes my arguement for me. At least Roy Williams 11 can play in this league, and maybe at an All Pro level.

I love the way these articles talk about how Roy Williams 11 is not a very good WR. Then, in the same article they talk about how we gave up too much, more than Detroit would have got when they franchised him next year.

Do you franchise players who are not very good?
 
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2much2soon;2349934 said:
The rest of Jerruh's clunker FA moves aren't really any worse than any other GMs moves. He is just higher profile so when he stubs his toe it gets a lot more attention.
When you are successful in most of your endeavors it only brings out the haters, be it, other owners, the media, opposing fans, and sometimes so call Dallas fans, everything you do will be magnified 10 folds. Not to mention just being owner of the Cowboys. I personally hope he changes nothing in his approach in building a team ot the Cowboys organization. Once the Boys are on top it will be written nobody can build a team like Jerry. Wish washy a** people. Can't please them no matter what you do

demirji22;2350052 said:
How can terry glenn be a bad pick up.
He played great for us and if it wasnt for his injury he would still be here.
I totally agree with you on this. Now the guy is out of Dallas and he's considered a bust. Just ****ing crazy how a year changes people.

big dog cowboy;2350064 said:
I love how the pundits just automatically think that TO will be upset about this deal.

It's either "TO will lose some catches so he will be upset" or "$20 M in guaranteed money so TO will be upset" argument.

Hopefully we hoist the Lombardi in a few months and TO can sound off on all the nay sayers.
It amazes me how anything and everything that happens in Dallas somehow ruffles T.O. 's feathers and makes him mad. Running his mouth or not, he have given the team 150% eveytime he hits the field. SMDH

Chocolate Lab;2350088 said:
Wow, typical hater article.

I like how he picked a time period to include our worst years when showing Jerry's record over the last x years. Over the last six years -- which is a pretty long time period in today's NFL -- we're 52-34. Most teams would love to have that record.

Jerry isn't perfect, and I wish he'd never brought in Pacman, but most of this article is pure biased rubbish. What have the Packers won lately that Jerry hasn't?
The Pacman deal like stated before was a win win situation and I don't have any regrets of the move. If you can get talent at bargain basement prices than you do so. You would be a fool not too. Again, if eveything had went smooth throughout the year on this trade it would have been said that Jerry is the man.
 

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Originally Posted by FloridaRob
Polk County Florida Sheriff Grady Judd when asked why his Swat Team shot a suspected Cop Killer 68 times answered, "That's all the bullets we had."



I'd like to buy that signature.
 

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what about the rest of the team that was all drafted and resigned here?

they dont count.

I am not a big jerry jones fan, but every media outlet is obsessed with three players on this roster and they totally ignore the rest.

Romo, witten, ware, barber, gurode, newman, ellis, ratliff...where did they come from?
 

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demirji22;2350052 said:
Galloway is just one in a long line of recent acquisitions who haven’t panned out for Jones: quarterbacks Drew Henson (cost a first-round pick), Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter; offensive lineman Marco Rivera; wide receiver Terry Glenn; linebackers Kevin Hardy and Bobby Carpenter; defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban; and running back Anthony Thomas.

How can terry glenn be a bad pick up.
He played great for us and if it wasnt for his injury he would still be here.


he was traded for a 6 to green bay, which they in turn traded to sf and the pick was used for punter andy lee.

Glenn was terrific for us and calling that a bad move is dumb not only because it is false but because this guy covers the packers and should have known more about it.

its just the same story, different paper. national writers dont know much about Dallas so they write stories about owens, pacman, jessica simpson and occasionally that Jason Whitten character.

They dont even know enough to write an accurate article. Its the Tony Kornheiser philosophy of knowing only the stars.

and we drafted ekuban and did not give up a first for drew henson. This guy is an idiot.
 

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Boysboy;2349817 said:
Rivera and Bambie were also Parcells picks. IF Tuna had properly picked the RG position in the '03 draft(i.e. Stephen Pedermen), it would have never gotten down to diving into the FA market.

Bill sure had a lot to do with Peterman's major knee injury and Rivera's back injury. That's not bad judgment, it is getting snakebit
 

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FloridaRob;2349849 said:
So you might read it if you want to? I doubt the MJS is in the mainstream of Cowboy reading material.
Thanks for posting this article and the one from the other day. I haven't been on top of my normal Cowboys searches to find these. So thanks again.

silverbear;2349925 said:
How can I vote for Grady Judd??

ROTFLMAO...
Isn't that quote great? LOl.
 

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WoodysGirl;2350256 said:
Isn't that quote great? LOl.

I roared with laughter when I read it... you have no idea how much I hope he really said that...
 

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silverbear;2350294 said:
I roared with laughter when I read it... you have no idea how much I hope he really said that...

He really did. Of course the quote has been quoted several differen ways. he lives about 1/2 mile from me and is like the Buford Pusser of Polk County. I went to church with him and when he took over Sheriff in the 90s he went on a rampage to clean up all the riff raff.

Here is the article on that particular day. I had just driven thru that area about 45 minutes before this happened.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp
 

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FloridaRob;2349895 said:
I said in my opening remarks that I wish TT had a little more of Jerry Jones in him in taking a risk. I really don't have an opinion one way or the other on it. I can say I would not be happy with TT if he gave a 1, 3 and 6 to the Lions for Roy Williams. I have watched him play the Packers twice a year since he has been in the league and I just don't see him as a difference maker. Whatever problems the Cowboys might have this year are not really because of the WR play. TO, Barber, and Romo are the new Cowboy triplets and are more than capable of giving the Cowboys enough offense to get to the Super Bowl especiallly when you add Witten.

The other article was by Andrew Brandt who was fired by the Packers. It definetely proved that Jones was not going to let Rivera out of Dallas without signing him at any cost and probably way over paid him. Again, I was glad at the time the Packers did not give Marco 9 million guaranteed. Of course Ted Thompson has done a poor job replacing Marco since he let him walk but that is another story.

Again, the article I posted was just to provide an insight to how other writers might view what happens in Dallas. Maybe the same type of article is written in the Dallas Papers. I don't know. Just FYI. Nothing more.


I know that the cost to acquire RW was high (I myself was looking at offering a 2nd that moved into a 1st if the Boys made the Super Bowl). with everything happening around Valley Ranch, Jerry had to do something positive. The only real weakness was a 2nd WR once Glenn was let go. Crayton and Austin are not reliable to force the opposing D to respect our WR's.

We could have waited until the offseason, but Jerry needed someone for this year, since the road to the Lombardi Trophy is wide open. With the Pacman shenanegans, he could afford to give up 3 for 2 in order to improve this year. Drafting a WR next year or going after a WR in the off season would have cost a 1st round pick anyways. Jerry gave a 3rd to get the deal done right now and sign RW long term.

All Dallas needs to do now is have Wade focus on improving the D.
 
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