Modern day defense

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  1. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Ok but that was 10 years ago. League isn't the same.

    Plus, the cover 2 he played in Chicago was also a lot more aggressive than what he played in Dallas, which was a lot more cover 3 and off man. It was not a bend but don't break approach in Chicago.
     
  2. CowboysFaninHouston

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    Poe was such a waste and Woods wasn't any good, so we got nothing out of those two. then LVE was lost and Smith was a lost cause, so the run defense up the middle suffered and suffered immensely. I think Hill is on the bubble. he showed a few plays here and there, but he was inconsistent and he was very immature. he maybe traded or cut out right...too much competition at the spot.

    my pet cat on the DL is bohanna. I am anxious to see what he can do....
     
  3. Future

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    These players don't exist in the NFL without risking giving up a big play.

    To "create" an interception, you have to jump a route. If you're wrong, you give up a big play. If you choose to prevent a big play, you are not going to jump routes because it leaves you susceptible to double moves and big plays. It doesn't matter who the player is.
     
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  4. CowboysFaninHouston

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    exactly. bend but don't break is designed to avoid giving up big plays and hope the offense makes mistakes along the way.

    we need an aggressive, attacking defense, understanding that sometimes you will give up the big play, but you will make more big plays than give up. that's why the safties are huge huge in the aggressive schemes, since they roam in the back field, looking to stop big plays.
     
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  5. CowboysFaninHouston

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    that's why safties are huge in the aggressive schemes.....limit the big plays, but make more big plays than you give....
     
  6. quickccc

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    What really hurt this defense the most, ..was more lack of discipline more than it was a lack of turnover creators, imo.

    - It hurt that the players did not know what da hell they were doing, because the coaches themselves did not know what da hell they were doing.
    How are you gonna try to create turnovers, when you don’t even know where to be, .. when to be in position, ..never in position, always in a chase-trail position, dunno when to stand up as a rusher
    or when to drop in coverage lanes as a rusher, constant wide open blown coverage assignments,… absolute no gap control vs run, ..

    - Creating turnovers comes with understanding scheme and positioning, first before the turnover ability even takes over.
    Player personnel considering, I could live far more with bend don’t break,.. before a high risk, undisciplined scheme that - especially doesn’t have the coaching aspect to make confidence.

    - Since it’s said that Quinn’s scheme may consists of some zone coverage – I don’t expect to see high risk coverages, I don’t expect Quinn to have Diggs lined up tight at the line
    and run 50-60 yrd with a speedy McClurin, Lattimer, and especially without any safety help at all.

    - I’m intrigued with the players leftover from Diggs, Wilson, even LVE, … while adding Kazee, Parson, Cox, Joseph and Wright; and I feel some players will have a chance to emerge
    such as Gallimore, Hill and Anae.

    - Wilson has a knack for turnovers and he has a physical tone about himself, I’d be surprised and disappointed – it’s about him improving his overall consistency
    while he gains more game experience.
    At some point that secondary is gonna have to have a field general, a leader in control and one tha can rally his troops and calm the confusion/frustration when going gets tough.
    Wilson may end up being that kind of player and leader before all said and done.

    - But a lot that goes on with turnovers still starts upfront, and keeping teams in long yardage by stopping the run early downs will help matters when it comes to obvious pass downs.
    The sack fumble strips and errand passes caused by the constant rush.

    - As much as it’s being talked about with the rookie DL guys, Gregory’s full return and a finally healthy Dlaw – it’s the interior middle that I’m more intrigued with.
    QBs hate up the middle pressure that keeps them from stepping up pass the edge rushers and interior push disrupts their pocket timing.
    But it’s a challenge trying to acquire those kind of interior talent.
     
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  7. john van brocklin

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    Would be nice to be just average
    That would be a huge step forward
     
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  8. quickccc

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    Stopping the run - that should be top, extreme high priority, regardless of philosophy or 3-4 or 4-3 scheme we employ.
    If we're able to do that successfully without the big fatties in the middle or playing with small LBs, so be it.
     
  9. SSoup

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    I'd agree with this.

    The "bend but don't break" mindset in football is the idea that we'll play it safe and do the fundamentals and trust that this systematic approach will save us in the end (when the other team falls just short of a 1st down on 3rd down, or when they fall just short of the endzone and settle for a field goal, or when they just screw up and do us the favor of bailing us out by getting called for a crucial drive-killing penalty or dropping a crucial pass).

    Causing fumbles and intercepting passes often requires risk. The risk of going for the strip or launching yourself at someone for a huge hit to jar the ball loose instead of going for the safe, conservative tackle where you wrap someone up securely. The risk of going for interception often requires being okay with allowing the receiver to get past you or behind you, because it's a lot harder to intercept the ball if you aren't willing to get between the passer and the defender in order to do it. These risks can be exploited for a big play in an instant. Which is the opposite of what defenses who want to bend, bend, bend are all about.
     
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  10. quickccc

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    another thing i always tend to hear is " i'll be just satisfied with being better than what Nolan defense was " ... or i'll be satisfied with being around the middle of the pack ranked defense "

    the heck with that.!!>.. i want to set our goal up to being one of the very best defenses at the top of the entire NFL.
    I want to set our goal to be a championship level defense - ala Bucs style.

    Because once we get into the playoff formats, and we have to play a Tom Brady,,.Aaron Rodgers, or Russell Wilson .

    Just being satisfactory " average" or the middle of the pack won't do it ,.. o_O
     
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  11. quickccc

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    How many of the top defenses in the NFL , still use " Bend but don't Break " .... . vs the more aggressive, high risk taking Defenses ?

    :rolleyes:
     
  12. visionary

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    I would say that “modern defenses” are like old defenses because defense is defense

    1. get smart and disciplined players who want to play football
    2. Get a legitimate DC to put a philosophy in place that is followed year after year
    3. Build front to back and up the middle. Meaning prioritize DL, MLB and a true FS

    I think we have about 30% of this
    The rest is just crap thrown at the wall to hope it sticks . That’s not the way to build a defense
     
  13. Risen Star

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    It's actually not because they aren't conflicting at all. Bend but don't break means don't give up the big play. Force teams to put together long drives on you and avoid mistakes.
     
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  14. Aerolithe_Lion

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    Worked for the ‘09 Saints
     
  15. Cowboyny

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    If they are going to turn around this defense, it starts with defending the run. It is going to take a little time, with a lot of turnover and several young players added to the defense. We have to temper our expectations, especially early on.
     
  16. Cowboyny

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    I think Urban is going to make the biggest impact right away.
     
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  17. fivetwos

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    Trying to "create" turnovers, IMO.....is about the idea of taking a swipe at the ball, and thereby sacrificing a sure tackle somewhat, or maybe anticipating a route which could easily blow up on you.

    I'm not sure that either falls into line with bend but don't break....because you are indeed bending and risking break....but I'm not really sure it matters all that much.

    I'm not up on the table stomping away for this one.
     
  18. Cowboyny

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    Chicago had way better players. Tillman for example, was a turnover machine, Cowboys never had such a player when Marinelli was here.
     
  19. Cowboyny

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    We are going to have a lot of youth within the interior. Our hope is that either Gallimore/Hill takes the next step and our two 3rd rd lineman make an instant impact within the rotation.
     
  20. Cowboyny

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    The Seattle coaching tree does. Quinn will make some adjustments to his scheme, but just like Marinelli his defense's rank near the bottom in blitzes called.
     

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