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[dargonking999]

he threw quite a few last year too

Not enough for me

But i also hate the broncos and everything about them, so meh, it could be bias

 

[dbair1967]

Cutler throws one pass, and he's going to be a good QB?

he looked pretty damn good as a rookie last yr and by all accounts has had a great TC...he has alot of talent

David

 

[Rampage]

Not enough for me

But i also hate the broncos and everything about them, so meh, it could be bias

i kinda got that impression.

 

[theogt]

Cutler >>>> Smith

oh and your man Lawson, Mr Invisible again

David

Cutler doesn't impress me. He's a little slow on his reads, but he does have a strong arm. I just don't think having a strong arm is enough. He has a lot of growing to do as a QB, and they probably should have kept Plummer in longer.

Lawson didn't do much because he played for one quarter. If he were a backup like Carpenter he might get more playing time in preseason.

 

[dbair1967]

Cutler doesn't impress me. He's a little slow on his reads, but he does have a strong arm. I just don't think having a strong arm is enough. He has a lot of growing to do as a QB, and they probably should have kept Plummer in longer.

Lawson didn't do much because he played for one quarter. If he were a backup like Carpenter he might get more playing time in preseason.

I used the same keen scouting on them that you did for Bradie James in your other thread

but Cutler's the real deal and Lawson does look like a middle rd pick on the football field

David

 

[theogt]

I used the same keen scouting on them that you did for Bradie James in your other thread

but Cutler's the real deal and Lawson does look like a middle rd pick on the football field

David

Lawson looks much more impressive than James. In terms of athleticism they're not even in the same ballpark. That much could be seen in just a quarter's work. Lawson may look lost at times, but this is the 49ers first season in the 3-4, and hence Lawson's first season as a 3-4 OLB. James has no excuse. He simply can't play in space.

Regardless, my point in that thread was that James looked slow. He was supposed to be trimmed down and faster, but he still looks slow. He played plenty of snaps to realize he still looks slow.

Cutler had a pretty good rookie season, and may be a fine QB eventually, but Smith is clearly further along in his growth process at QB (which only makes sense considering he's had one more year in the NFL).

 

[dbair1967]

Lawson looks much more impressive than James. In terms of athleticism they're not even in the same ballpark. That much could be seen in just a quarter's work. Lawson may look lost at times, but this is the 49ers first season in the 3-4, and hence Lawson's first season as a 3-4 OLB. James has no excuse. He simply can't play in space.

Cutler had a pretty good rookie season, and may be a fine QB eventually, but Smith is clearly further along in his growth process at QB.

most 3-4 ILB's dont play well in space, its why the majority of those types end up where they do in the 3-4

not sure I've seen any evidence of Smith being "further along in the growth process"...he's had one full yr of starting exp, but Cutler displayed just as good, if not better decision making that Smith did last yr as a rookie

losing Norv Turner is going to be a big loss for Smith, I dont know anything about th guy thats taking Turner's place save he was on the staff last yr and worked w/ Norv, but Norv is a Rolls Royce QB developer and this guy is a huge question mark...if I have a choice between who I want coaching a QB, Shanahan or the guy working with Smith in SF, its a no brainer

David

 

[theogt]

most 3-4 ILB's dont play well in space, its why the majority of those types end up where they do in the 3-4

That's absurd considering most of their time is spent playing in space.

not sure I've seen any evidence of Smith being "further along in the growth process"...he's had one full yr of starting exp, but Cutler displayed just as good, if not better decision making that Smith did last yr as a rookie

He certainly did have a better rookie season. That wasn't ever an issue, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.

losing Norv Turner is going to be a big loss for Smith, I dont know anything about th guy thats taking Turner's place save he was on the staff last yr and worked w/ Norv, but Norv is a Rolls Royce QB developer and this guy is a huge question mark...if I have a choice between who I want coaching a QB, Shanahan or the guy working with Smith in SF, its a no brainer

David

We'll see. No sense going on about it right now.

 

[dbair1967]

That's absurd considering most of their time is spent playing in space.

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I guess it depends on what you think of "playing in space"

in most 3-4 defenses they dont keep big run down ILB's on the field in obvious passing situations...on the run downs they plug holes and fill gaps, that is not "playing in space"

now of course in the backwards Bizarro world of Parcells and Zimmer, the above wasnt the case

David

 

[theogt]

I guess it depends on what you think of "playing in space"

in most 3-4 defenses they dont keep big run down ILB's on the field in obvious passing situations...on the run downs they plug holes and fill gaps, that is not "playing in space"

now of course in the backwards Bizarro world of Parcells and Zimmer, the above wasnt the case

David

Even on "run downs" when they're plugging holes, they're lining up 5 yards off the ball and running to the left or right without a defender immediately in front of them. That's what I was considering "in space."

 

[dbair1967]

Even on "run downs" when they're plugging holes, they're lining up 5 yards off the ball and running to the left or right without a defender immediately in front of them. That's what I was considering "in space."

James will be fine doing that...its playing in reverse 15-20 yds downfield that he isnt that good at, and fortunately the new defensive staff here isnt as stubborn (or stupid) as the previous braintrust in that regard

David

 

[theogt]

James will be fine doing that...its playing in reverse 15-20 yds downfield that he isnt that good at, and fortunately the new defensive staff here isnt as stubborn (or stupid) as the previous braintrust in that regard

David

The problem is that teams can line up and throw to the TE on a seam route on 1st down just as easily as 3rd down.

 

[dbair1967]

The problem is that teams can line up and throw to the TE on a seam route on 1st down just as easily as 3rd down.

maybe, but James might not be covering the TE down the seam the majority of those plays, so we probably wont have to worry about it

David

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

eagles got crush

So did their punter Rocca by the Ravens rookie OLB Antwan Barnes. OUCH!!

Didn't the NFL make the Clifton (GB) rule for such hits?

 

[blindzebra]

Lawson looks much more impressive than James. In terms of athleticism they're not even in the same ballpark. That much could be seen in just a quarter's work. Lawson may look lost at times, but this is the 49ers first season in the 3-4, and hence Lawson's first season as a 3-4 OLB. James has no excuse. He simply can't play in space.

Regardless, my point in that thread was that James looked slow. He was supposed to be trimmed down and faster, but he still looks slow. He played plenty of snaps to realize he still looks slow.

Cutler had a pretty good rookie season, and may be a fine QB eventually, but Smith is clearly further along in his growth process at QB (which only makes sense considering he's had one more year in the NFL).

This is not SF's first year in a 3-4.

 

[stealth]

will players ever be good enough for us?
Even if they win the sb?
like, will it be "they shoulda won by 20 not 7"

 

[theogt]

This is not SF's first year in a 3-4.

Indeed it is. They tried it for a game or two last year, but for the most part played 4-3. This year they're fully converting to the 3-4.

 

[blindzebra]

Indeed it is. They tried it for a game or two last year, but for the most part played 4-3. This year they're fully converting to the 3-4.

So it's not their first year playing 3-4.

 

[Avery]

So did their punter Rocca by the Ravens rookie OLB Antwan Barnes. OUCH!!

Didn't the NFL make the Clifton (GB) rule for such hits?

It was also helmet to helmet.

 

[CaptainQuint]

irvin >>>>>>>>>>>>keyshawn and emmitt

I agree completely. Irvin is LOUD, but he was ESPN's most interesting NFL commenter, and excellent with Ditka. Keyshawn is just boring. Emmitt...was a great runner...and dancer, but should defer his commentary to Playmaker.
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