Moon

[ReturnToGlory]

His induction today has lowered the bar for QBs. This has opened the doors for non-championship QBs who have great numbers and it would help many of todays QBs with the inflated numbers.

Testevarde and Bledsoe should be jumping up and down. More than any position in sports, the QB is all about winning.

How many of you think Moon would have gotten in if he was a Cowboy?

 

[Rush 2112]

Do you have a beef with Marino, Fouts, Kelly being in?

 

[ReturnToGlory]

Nope. Besides playing in the run and shoot and padding his numbers, he never led his team to a conference championship game.

Kelly led his team to 4 SBs. Although his selfishness prevented him from at least 1 SB (if he hadn't called his own number so often and gotten the ball to Thomas in SB XXV more often, the Bills would have won. Big Bill was just daring him to do that.)

Marino got to 1 SB and a few conference championship games.

Fouts led one of the most prolific offenses of his time and led his team to a conference championship game.

 

[jlust22]

I heard Rick Gosselin on the radio today after the Hall of Fame announcement. He said Moon was compared with Dan Fouts during their discussions. Moon has superior numbers to Fouts and neither of them ever played in a Super Bowl. Goose said Moon was also credited with being a pioneer because he was probably the first great black QB and paved the way for future black quarterbacks.

 

[Rush 2112]

The ultimate litmus test for QB's is SB wins.

Period, end of story.

Fouts, Moon, Marino, Kelly didn't pass the test.

If your test is getting to the SB and losing, or getting to conference title games you've got some low standards.

If it's just SB wins then Dilfer and Brad Johnson are first ballot hall of famers.

Minor news flash.........

Stats matter when it comes to the hall of fame.

And he wasn't just running the run and shoot.

Back to back 4k+ seasons in Minny.

 

[ReturnToGlory]

what's your point? that the flawed system is correct and we shouldn't change anything because that's how it has been?

The best thing is to go the baseball route and have 100 to 200 voters consisting off former coaches and players. Then the weight of one voter is diluted. What does the media know? They have their own agenda and they are the most biased people in sports. The thing that makes Rick Goselin good is his unbiasedness. Rember before the vote when people were blaming him for not having enough Cowboys in the Hall because he wasn't a complete homer?

The criteria should be if you game planned against a particular player and the opposing player (and coaches) couldn't sleep all week because of who he was up against.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Moon was an absolutely magnificent passer. Wonderful touch on the pass, very accurage. Just a joy to watch. I don't like the idea he was a wife abuser but his ability to pass the football is without question. He is certainly one of the most gifted passers of all-time.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Moon was an absolutely magnificent passer. Wonderful touch on the pass, very accurage. Just a joy to watch. I don't like the idea he was a wife abuser but his ability to pass the football is without question. He is certainly one of the most gifted passers of all-time.

Exactly! I don't care how many Super Bowls you win when it comes to the Hall of Fame. Moon is a Hall of Famer, end of discussion. I guess Ernie Banks shouldn't be in the MLB Hall of Fame either, he never won anything.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Nope. Besides playing in the run and shoot and padding his numbers, he never led his team to a conference championship game.

Kelly led his team to 4 SBs. Although his selfishness prevented him from at least 1 SB (if he hadn't called his own number so often and gotten the ball to Thomas in SB XXV more often, the Bills would have won. Big Bill was just daring him to do that.)

Marino got to 1 SB and a few conference championship games.

Fouts led one of the most prolific offenses of his time and led his team to a conference championship game.

Oh, so voters should look at the career of QB's and say, well he ALMOST won a Super Bowl. Please.

 

[rathalarge]

Moon also spnet some years in Canada and I believe played for the Grey Cup there, before coming to the NFL and doing his thing. A definite Hall of Famer!!

 

[Cbz40]

I have no qualms about Moon's selection to the HOF. Warren was one of the most proficient passers to ever play the game. I'm glad he made it ..... a very deserving selection.

 

[Bullet22]

So when does the first great fast wr get in...Bob Hayes..

 

[Cbz40]

So when does the first great fast wr get in...Bob Hayes..

I hope soon......but we may be in for a long wait.

 

[jumanji]

In NFL career, completed 3,988 of 6,823 passes for 49,325 yards, 291 touchdowns, 233 interceptions ... Rushed 543 times for 1,736 yards for 22 TDs, giving him 51,061 yards of total offense. . .At retirement, pass attempts, completions, yardage totals and total offense totals all ranked third all-time. . .291 career touchdown passes total was fourth... Nine 3,000-yard passing seasons was third in league history. . .His forty-nine 300-yard games are third in NFL behind Hall of Famers Dan Marino (60) and Dan Fouts (51). . .Holds record for quarterbacks with eight straight Pro Bowl selections (1988-1995 seasons), added ninth following 1997 campaign. . .Recorded a then-record nine 300-yard games in 1990, including 527-yard effort at Kansas City, second-most in NFL history. . .At time of retirement, one of three quarterbacks (Marino, Elway) to have back-to-back 4,000-yard seasons and only one to do it for two different teams (Oilers, Vikings). . .Had four 4,000-yard passing seasons. . .Set then-NFL record with 404 pass completions in 1991. . .Started 203 of 208 regular season contests. . .All-Pro, 1990…First or second team All-AFC 1988, 1989, 1990…Born November 18, 1956 in Los Angeles, California

those numbers....don't even include the canadian numbers. he led them to 5 grey cups. if he had been in the nfl for those 5 years, his numbers would have been out of this world. you can not argue with his numbers.

 

[Jarv]

In NFL career, completed 3,988 of 6,823 passes for 49,325 yards, 291 touchdowns, 233 interceptions ... Rushed 543 times for 1,736 yards for 22 TDs, giving him 51,061 yards of total offense. . .At retirement, pass attempts, completions, yardage totals and total offense totals all ranked third all-time. . .291 career touchdown passes total was fourth... Nine 3,000-yard passing seasons was third in league history. . .His forty-nine 300-yard games are third in NFL behind Hall of Famers Dan Marino (60) and Dan Fouts (51). . .Holds record for quarterbacks with eight straight Pro Bowl selections (1988-1995 seasons), added ninth following 1997 campaign. . .Recorded a then-record nine 300-yard games in 1990, including 527-yard effort at Kansas City, second-most in NFL history. . .At time of retirement, one of three quarterbacks (Marino, Elway) to have back-to-back 4,000-yard seasons and only one to do it for two different teams (Oilers, Vikings). . .Had four 4,000-yard passing seasons. . .Set then-NFL record with 404 pass completions in 1991. . .Started 203 of 208 regular season contests. . .All-Pro, 1990…First or second team All-AFC 1988, 1989, 1990…Born November 18, 1956 in Los Angeles, California

those numbers....don't even include the canadian numbers. he led them to 5 grey cups. if he had been in the nfl for those 5 years, his numbers would have been out of this world. you can not argue with his numbers.

Very well said, Moon was a great QB.

 

[Nors]

good post -